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Detailed post here: https://blog.esper.io/android-13-deep-dive/ https://blog.esper.io/android-13-deep-dive/

mardifoufs 4y ago
Wait, so basically no more filesystem access? So it's the end for third party file managers? Wow... No more log access either, so that also means no more automation apps. And dns over https is hard-coded to cloudflare or Google with no way to chose another provider. I'm so confused about Google's strategy here. File access has always been one of Android's most attractive feature versus iOS. At this point it seems like I'll be using an iPhone very soon, for the first time of my life. Losing features that you rely on every single update is such a pain. At least with iOS the platform is stable, and updates never really remove any core feature.
- MishaalRahman 4y ago
  >Wait, so basically no more filesystem access? So it's the end for third party file managers? Wow... Third-party file managers never had full filesystem access. Without superuser, they've only ever had access to external storage (what you may know of as /sdcard, /storage/emulated, or /data/media). When Google started enforcing Scoped Storage in Android 11, they disallowed apps from accessing files in external private storage directories, ie. the /storage/emulated/{user}/Android/data and /storage/emulated/{user}/Android/obb directories. Each app you install can create its own directory here, and they're only intended to be used by the app that owns them, not by other apps. The MANAGE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission introduced in Android 11 gave apps like file managers access to all of external shared storage, which excludes the /Android/data and /Android/obb directories since those are deemed external private storage. However, file manager devs figured out a loophole using Storage Access Framework that let them ask the user to grant them access to those external private storage dirs anyway. Said loophole has been closed in Android 13. >No more log access either, so that also means no more automation apps. This one is a bummer. Apps can still read the logcat, but they have to ask for permission every time. So yes that definitely kills any kind of automation you can do. >And dns over https is hard-coded to cloudflare or Google with no way to chose another provider. For now. Google never said they'd keep those two as the only DNS-over-HTTP/3 providers.

Wait, so basically no more filesystem access? So it's the end for third party file managers? Wow... No more log access either, so that also means no more automation apps. And dns over https is hard-coded to cloudflare or Google with no way to chose another provider. I'm so confused about Google's strategy here. File access has always been one of Android's most attractive feature versus iOS. At this point it seems like I'll be using an iPhone very soon, for the first time of my life. Losing features that you rely on every single update is such a pain. At least with iOS the platform is stable, and updates never really remove any core feature.

MishaalRahman 4y ago
>Wait, so basically no more filesystem access? So it's the end for third party file managers? Wow... Third-party file managers never had full filesystem access. Without superuser, they've only ever had access to external storage (what you may know of as /sdcard, /storage/emulated, or /data/media). When Google started enforcing Scoped Storage in Android 11, they disallowed apps from accessing files in external private storage directories, ie. the /storage/emulated/{user}/Android/data and /storage/emulated/{user}/Android/obb directories. Each app you install can create its own directory here, and they're only intended to be used by the app that owns them, not by other apps. The MANAGE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission introduced in Android 11 gave apps like file managers access to all of external shared storage, which excludes the /Android/data and /Android/obb directories since those are deemed external private storage. However, file manager devs figured out a loophole using Storage Access Framework that let them ask the user to grant them access to those external private storage dirs anyway. Said loophole has been closed in Android 13. >No more log access either, so that also means no more automation apps. This one is a bummer. Apps can still read the logcat, but they have to ask for permission every time. So yes that definitely kills any kind of automation you can do. >And dns over https is hard-coded to cloudflare or Google with no way to chose another provider. For now. Google never said they'd keep those two as the only DNS-over-HTTP/3 providers.