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I love Keybase, but I would never recommend it today. Zoom acqui-hired the team in 2020: https://blog.zoom.us/zoom-acquires-keybase-and-announces-goal-of-devel

I love Keybase, but I would never recommend it today. Zoom acqui-hired the team in 2020: https://blog.zoom.us/zoom-acquires-keybase-and-announces-goal-of-developing-the-most-broadly-used-enterprise-end-to-end-encryption-offering/ https://blog.zoom.us/zoom-acquires-keybase-and-announces-goa...

dcow 4y ago
I am aware. For one it still works just as well is it ever has, the Zoom acquisition didn't change anything there. So if you care about features, there shouldn't be any problem. For sure it seems to be in maintenance mode, but nothing they were doing of late with Lumens was that exciting anyway (trying to become a crypto wallet like everyone and their mothers). I would pay $/mo for a Keybase reboot with the goal of building a sustainable business like Signal did instead of taking VC money for a shot at the moon. Until someone does that, Keybase continues to work as a messaging app with usernames instead of phone numbers.
- rvz 4y ago
  Yeah I'd rather use Keybase which has username / password than the disaster that Signal is right now. Especially when you have both Twitter and Twilio breaches, SS7 attacks, SIM swapping attacks, etc. Keybase still works and for a simple messaging app does the job better than Signal or any other messaging app that requires a phone number. This is a total disaster. > but nothing they were doing of late with Lumens was that exciting anyway (trying to become a crypto wallet like everyone and their mothers). Just like Signal did, with their own private crypto wallet and cryptocurrency that they have been working suspiciously in the background for a year after being questioned.
  - irfwashere 4y ago
    Why doesn't anyone ever consider XMPP using one of the many clients like gajim, conversations, etc.? It's got all of the encryption features anyone would want but has zero mentions as a secure messaging option.
- ianopolous 4y ago
  I've replied in a sibling comment about Peergos which is trying to do just that.
  - dcow 4y ago
    Definitely checking it out, thanks!
schlauerfox 4y ago
It's kept updated, we use it to interact with the Chia Blockchain team heavily and you just can't substitute for its identity feature to know who you're talking to.
- Y-bar 4y ago
  Barely so. looks more like bare minimum life support. The slump in code contributions can speak for themselves after the acquisition. https://github.com/keybase/client/graphs/contributors https://github.com/keybase/client/graphs/contributors
ianopolous 4y ago
If you're looking for a Keybase replacement, check out Peergos (https://peergos.org https://peergos.org). Peergos is a P2P E2EE global filesystem and application protocol that's: * fully open source (including the server) and self hostable * has a business model of charging for a hosted version * designed so that you don't need to trust your server * audited by Cure53 * fine-grained access control * identity proofs with controllable visibility * encrypted applications like calendar, chat, social media, text editor, video streamer, PDF viewer, kanban * custom apps - you can write your own apps for it (HTML5), which run in a sandbox which you can grant various permissions * designed with quantum resistance in mind You can read more in our tech book (https://book.peergos.org https://book.peergos.org) or source (https://github.com/peergos/peergos https://github.com/peergos/peergos) Disclaimer: co-founder here
- kitkat_new 4y ago
  can communication happen across servers/vendors like in Matrix?
  - ianopolous 4y ago
    Yes, it's P2P. Anyone on any server can share and communicate with anyone on any other server. You can also migrate server unilaterally and keep your social graph without needing to tell everyone, all links to your stuff continue to work afterwards.
- jabbany 4y ago
  Hmm, I'm looking for a Keybase replacement but one of the main reasons I use Keybase is their native apps that let you mount the cloud storage as a FUSE or FUSE-like (Dokan) native storage device. This is great for distributing encrypted keychains/configuration files and the such across various platforms (where many apps are not cloud-aware but are happy interacting with the filesystem). So far the "mount" approach seems to have also performed considerably better than syncing-based services (dropbox, G drive, OneDrive etc.) which from time to time have resulted in hard to untangle merge errors. Peergos looks promising but it also looks to be a web-only service, so not exactly a replacement yet. Would be nice to see an option for local native mounting. Preferably via a native app with a FUSE-like mount point, but I'd also probably be OK with something like WebDAV maybe.
autoexec 4y ago
Lately I've been pretty happy with Jami. It's still a little unpolished, but it's been good to me so far.

dcow 4y ago

I am aware. For one it still works just as well is it ever has, the Zoom acquisition didn't change anything there. So if you care about features, there shouldn't be any problem. For sure it seems to be in maintenance mode, but nothing they were doing of late with Lumens was that exciting anyway (trying to become a crypto wallet like everyone and their mothers). I would pay $/mo for a Keybase reboot with the goal of building a sustainable business like Signal did instead of taking VC money for a shot at the moon. Until someone does that, Keybase continues to work as a messaging app with usernames instead of phone numbers.

rvz 4y ago
Yeah I'd rather use Keybase which has username / password than the disaster that Signal is right now. Especially when you have both Twitter and Twilio breaches, SS7 attacks, SIM swapping attacks, etc. Keybase still works and for a simple messaging app does the job better than Signal or any other messaging app that requires a phone number. This is a total disaster. > but nothing they were doing of late with Lumens was that exciting anyway (trying to become a crypto wallet like everyone and their mothers). Just like Signal did, with their own private crypto wallet and cryptocurrency that they have been working suspiciously in the background for a year after being questioned.
- irfwashere 4y ago
  Why doesn't anyone ever consider XMPP using one of the many clients like gajim, conversations, etc.? It's got all of the encryption features anyone would want but has zero mentions as a secure messaging option.
ianopolous 4y ago
I've replied in a sibling comment about Peergos which is trying to do just that.
- dcow 4y ago
  Definitely checking it out, thanks!

schlauerfox 4y ago

It's kept updated, we use it to interact with the Chia Blockchain team heavily and you just can't substitute for its identity feature to know who you're talking to.

Y-bar 4y ago
Barely so. looks more like bare minimum life support. The slump in code contributions can speak for themselves after the acquisition. https://github.com/keybase/client/graphs/contributors https://github.com/keybase/client/graphs/contributors

ianopolous 4y ago

If you're looking for a Keybase replacement, check out Peergos (https://peergos.org https://peergos.org). Peergos is a P2P E2EE global filesystem and application protocol that's: * fully open source (including the server) and self hostable * has a business model of charging for a hosted version * designed so that you don't need to trust your server * audited by Cure53 * fine-grained access control * identity proofs with controllable visibility * encrypted applications like calendar, chat, social media, text editor, video streamer, PDF viewer, kanban * custom apps - you can write your own apps for it (HTML5), which run in a sandbox which you can grant various permissions * designed with quantum resistance in mind You can read more in our tech book (https://book.peergos.org https://book.peergos.org) or source (https://github.com/peergos/peergos https://github.com/peergos/peergos) Disclaimer: co-founder here

kitkat_new 4y ago
can communication happen across servers/vendors like in Matrix?
- ianopolous 4y ago
  Yes, it's P2P. Anyone on any server can share and communicate with anyone on any other server. You can also migrate server unilaterally and keep your social graph without needing to tell everyone, all links to your stuff continue to work afterwards.
jabbany 4y ago
Hmm, I'm looking for a Keybase replacement but one of the main reasons I use Keybase is their native apps that let you mount the cloud storage as a FUSE or FUSE-like (Dokan) native storage device. This is great for distributing encrypted keychains/configuration files and the such across various platforms (where many apps are not cloud-aware but are happy interacting with the filesystem). So far the "mount" approach seems to have also performed considerably better than syncing-based services (dropbox, G drive, OneDrive etc.) which from time to time have resulted in hard to untangle merge errors. Peergos looks promising but it also looks to be a web-only service, so not exactly a replacement yet. Would be nice to see an option for local native mounting. Preferably via a native app with a FUSE-like mount point, but I'd also probably be OK with something like WebDAV maybe.

autoexec 4y ago

Lately I've been pretty happy with Jami. It's still a little unpolished, but it's been good to me so far.