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Full-time designers gotta justify their jobs somehow.

anthropodie 4y ago
We need to find a way to move on, once something is perfected. Because if we don't we kinda ruin what we have already perfected. It's called planned obsolescence and below are some resources on the same. It is widely used across industries for over a century and kinda plays a huge role in climate change. Veritasium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE DW (mostly about phone) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aYJPonRJd8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aYJPonRJd8
- grishka 4y ago
  The problem lies deeper. There's only so much work that the humanity legitimately needs done, but the economy is built upon the assumption that everyone can get a job. So we end up creating jobs the society at large doesn't actually benefit from to make sure every person has to do some work to earn money to live. This includes ballooning IT companies about which you can't help but keep asking "where does enough work even come from to occupy all these people, in a product that's essentially finished". I don't know how to even approach solving this.
  - wildrhythms 4y ago
    Further reading - The Rise of Bullshit Jobs https://jacobin.com/2018/06/bullshit-jobs-david-graeber-work-service https://jacobin.com/2018/06/bullshit-jobs-david-graeber-work...
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    The solution is both simultaneously simple, yet incredibly nuanced and socially complex: UBI.
    - grishka 4y ago
      And because universal basic income is so nuanced and socially complex, I feel like this problem is here to stay until we reach post-scarcity, if we ever do.
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Exactly. That's without even considering a botched rollout of UBI causing inflation and inequality like we've never known before.
- philipwhiuk 4y ago
  Iterating design after success to make it worse isn't the same thing as planned obsolescence.
- hulitu 4y ago
  > We need to find a way to move on, once something is perfected The GUI/UI/UX on Android is so close to perfection like a zygote is close to a human being.
dessant 4y ago
With Android 12 they introduced Material Design 3, the latest iteration of the design system used by Android and other Google products. Their designers haven't even bothered to publish a proper and usable spec this time, but Google marketed it as production ready in blog posts, Google I/O talks and press releases. The published Material Design 3 spec is missing several basic components, it doesn't even have a checkbox. Google is inviting developers to migrate to the latest version of the design system, while their own teams at Angular and Flutter are now mixing M2 and M3 components and design concepts, and hitting roadblocks because of incompatible elevation and typography changes in certain components. https://m3.material.io https://m3.material.io
- eclipxe 4y ago
  > it doesn't even have a checkbox This seems to be intentional. It has a switch component. You don't need a checkbox and a switch.
  - dessant 4y ago
    It isn't intentional, the official implementations of M3 include a new checkbox.
znpy 4y ago
This is one of the posts I wish I could upvote more than once.

We need to find a way to move on, once something is perfected. Because if we don't we kinda ruin what we have already perfected. It's called planned obsolescence and below are some resources on the same. It is widely used across industries for over a century and kinda plays a huge role in climate change. Veritasium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE DW (mostly about phone) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aYJPonRJd8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aYJPonRJd8

grishka 4y ago
The problem lies deeper. There's only so much work that the humanity legitimately needs done, but the economy is built upon the assumption that everyone can get a job. So we end up creating jobs the society at large doesn't actually benefit from to make sure every person has to do some work to earn money to live. This includes ballooning IT companies about which you can't help but keep asking "where does enough work even come from to occupy all these people, in a product that's essentially finished". I don't know how to even approach solving this.
- wildrhythms 4y ago
  Further reading - The Rise of Bullshit Jobs https://jacobin.com/2018/06/bullshit-jobs-david-graeber-work-service https://jacobin.com/2018/06/bullshit-jobs-david-graeber-work...
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  The solution is both simultaneously simple, yet incredibly nuanced and socially complex: UBI.
  - grishka 4y ago
    And because universal basic income is so nuanced and socially complex, I feel like this problem is here to stay until we reach post-scarcity, if we ever do.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      Exactly. That's without even considering a botched rollout of UBI causing inflation and inequality like we've never known before.
philipwhiuk 4y ago
Iterating design after success to make it worse isn't the same thing as planned obsolescence.
hulitu 4y ago
> We need to find a way to move on, once something is perfected The GUI/UI/UX on Android is so close to perfection like a zygote is close to a human being.

dessant 4y ago

With Android 12 they introduced Material Design 3, the latest iteration of the design system used by Android and other Google products. Their designers haven't even bothered to publish a proper and usable spec this time, but Google marketed it as production ready in blog posts, Google I/O talks and press releases. The published Material Design 3 spec is missing several basic components, it doesn't even have a checkbox. Google is inviting developers to migrate to the latest version of the design system, while their own teams at Angular and Flutter are now mixing M2 and M3 components and design concepts, and hitting roadblocks because of incompatible elevation and typography changes in certain components. https://m3.material.io https://m3.material.io

eclipxe 4y ago
> it doesn't even have a checkbox This seems to be intentional. It has a switch component. You don't need a checkbox and a switch.
- dessant 4y ago
  It isn't intentional, the official implementations of M3 include a new checkbox.

znpy 4y ago

This is one of the posts I wish I could upvote more than once.