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> Announced Friday by the US Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) and enacted today, the rule will ban the export of two ultra-wide bandg

> Announced Friday by the US Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) and enacted today, the rule will ban the export of two ultra-wide bandgap semiconductor materials, as well as some types of electronic computer-aided design (ECAD) technology and pressure gain combustion (PGC) technology. > In particular, the BIS said that the semiconductor materials gallium oxide and diamond will be subject to renewed export controls because they can operate under more extreme temperature and voltage conditions. The Bureau said that capability makes the materials more useful in weapons. Do SaaS providers of these kinds of software now have to kick off Chinese customers?

blacksmith_tb 4y ago
SaaS? The ban is all about hardware and materials.
- DerekL 4y ago
  ECAD is software.
  - trillic 4y ago
    Code is speech.
    - verdverm 4y ago
      not all speech is protected
      - vinniejames 4y ago
        All code is protected as speech https://twitter.com/EFF/status/1559224417674137600 https://twitter.com/EFF/status/1559224417674137600
        verdverm 4y ago
        That doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. Publishing and running code are very different things. Additionally, the major code hosts are not bound by free speech laws.
    - freemint 4y ago
      Not all code is speech.
      - vinniejames 4y ago
        Not all speech is code
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Beltalowda 4y ago
Aside: the press release is a bit more specific than all ECAD software, the language it uses is "Electronic Computer-Aided Design (ECAD) software specially designed for the development of integrated circuits with Gate-All-Around Field-Effect Transistor (GAAFET) structure".[1] I'm not all that clued up on the latest in chip manufacturing, but GAAFET seems like a fairly cutting edge thing used only in high-end modern chips, and I wouldn't be surprised if many ECAD softare packages are unaffected (but again, this is not my field, so could be 100% wrong there, which I am sure people will point out). [1]: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/about-bis/newsroom/press-releases/3116-2022-08-12-bis-press-release-wa-2021-1758-technologies-controls-rule/file https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/about-bis/newsro...
- arroz 4y ago
  I used to work for an ECAD company, very few customers used 3nm, maybe there are more now, but I don’t know what GAAFET would be used for
  - rchiang 4y ago
    GAAFET is the next step after FinFET to allow such small transistors to be feasible.
arroz 4y ago
If there is a ban and ECAD is included in the ban, then yes, they must kick off Chinese customers

blacksmith_tb 4y ago

SaaS? The ban is all about hardware and materials.

DerekL 4y ago
ECAD is software.
- trillic 4y ago
  Code is speech.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    not all speech is protected
    - vinniejames 4y ago
      All code is protected as speech https://twitter.com/EFF/status/1559224417674137600 https://twitter.com/EFF/status/1559224417674137600
      - verdverm 4y ago
        That doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. Publishing and running code are very different things. Additionally, the major code hosts are not bound by free speech laws.
  - freemint 4y ago
    Not all code is speech.
    - vinniejames 4y ago
      Not all speech is code

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Beltalowda 4y ago

Aside: the press release is a bit more specific than all ECAD software, the language it uses is "Electronic Computer-Aided Design (ECAD) software specially designed for the development of integrated circuits with Gate-All-Around Field-Effect Transistor (GAAFET) structure".[1] I'm not all that clued up on the latest in chip manufacturing, but GAAFET seems like a fairly cutting edge thing used only in high-end modern chips, and I wouldn't be surprised if many ECAD softare packages are unaffected (but again, this is not my field, so could be 100% wrong there, which I am sure people will point out). [1]: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/about-bis/newsroom/press-releases/3116-2022-08-12-bis-press-release-wa-2021-1758-technologies-controls-rule/file https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/about-bis/newsro...

arroz 4y ago
I used to work for an ECAD company, very few customers used 3nm, maybe there are more now, but I don’t know what GAAFET would be used for
- rchiang 4y ago
  GAAFET is the next step after FinFET to allow such small transistors to be feasible.

arroz 4y ago

If there is a ban and ECAD is included in the ban, then yes, they must kick off Chinese customers