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It costs more to operate nukes than renewables, even neglecting the staggering capital expenditure nukes cost. As a result, existing nukes will be mothballed as

by ncmncm 4y ago

It costs more to operate nukes than renewables, even neglecting the staggering capital expenditure nukes cost. As a result, existing nukes will be mothballed as they become unable to sell power at a price that enables them to continue operating. Financing to build new ones is already prohibitive, except under government coercion.

kennend3 4y ago
Odd.. because this is NOT what took place here (Ontario) where our government pushed us to near-bankruptcy debt by signing long-term contracts to build "green energy". it cost them an election, and many years later the party responsible for those decisions (among others) have yet to gain "party status". Can you show us any "renewables" that were not government subsidized as well? https://www.fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/2021-commercial-industrial-electricity#:~:text=The%20renewable%20generation%20subsidy%20will%20subsidize%20%241.8%20billion%20in%20electricity,portion%20of%20their%20electricity%20bills https://www.fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/2021-commercial-.... Seems "renweables" love the government subsidy bandagon as well? Speaking of "government coercion" - this is exactly how Ontario got green energy in the first place. First they mandated it, then they forced people to accept the wind farms despite their numerous protests. take a read: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-wind-power-opponents-protest-in-toronto-1.791208 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-wind-power-opponents-prot... As i posted above, no matter the power source, you can be 100% confident NIMBY will be there to protest it. In Ontario, the cost to generate power is : - Hydroelectric (5cents) - Wind (8.6 cents) - Solar (15.7 cents) - Nuclear (16.5 cents). Added bonus, nuclear produces power 24x7, when it is raining or cloudy, when we have a heat wave and zero winds.. in the cold dark winter nights... If renewables are such a good deal, why is there so little of it? As i posted, Ontario gets 59% of its power from nuclear, 5% from wind and 1% from solar...
EricE 4y ago
>It costs more to operate nukes than renewables Citation needed. Also most of the prohibitive costs surrounding nuclear are artificial - bureaucratic overhead vs. real costs governed by implementing the technology.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Really, that is the hill you will die on? Nukes depend on running steam through monster turbines, which need frequent expensive maintenance. Fuel must be replaced periodically. You need highly-skilled operators and security guards at all times. You need periodic deep inspection and refurbishment of operation and safety systems. Renewables incur no such expenses. I didn't even count disaster insurance, which is always provided free by taxpayers because no nuke could pay it and compete.

by ncmncm 4y ago

kennend3 4y ago

Odd.. because this is NOT what took place here (Ontario) where our government pushed us to near-bankruptcy debt by signing long-term contracts to build "green energy". it cost them an election, and many years later the party responsible for those decisions (among others) have yet to gain "party status". Can you show us any "renewables" that were not government subsidized as well? https://www.fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/2021-commercial-industrial-electricity#:~:text=The%20renewable%20generation%20subsidy%20will%20subsidize%20%241.8%20billion%20in%20electricity,portion%20of%20their%20electricity%20bills https://www.fao-on.org/en/Blog/Publications/2021-commercial-.... Seems "renweables" love the government subsidy bandagon as well? Speaking of "government coercion" - this is exactly how Ontario got green energy in the first place. First they mandated it, then they forced people to accept the wind farms despite their numerous protests. take a read: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-wind-power-opponents-protest-in-toronto-1.791208 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-wind-power-opponents-prot... As i posted above, no matter the power source, you can be 100% confident NIMBY will be there to protest it. In Ontario, the cost to generate power is : - Hydroelectric (5cents) - Wind (8.6 cents) - Solar (15.7 cents) - Nuclear (16.5 cents). Added bonus, nuclear produces power 24x7, when it is raining or cloudy, when we have a heat wave and zero winds.. in the cold dark winter nights... If renewables are such a good deal, why is there so little of it? As i posted, Ontario gets 59% of its power from nuclear, 5% from wind and 1% from solar...

EricE 4y ago

>It costs more to operate nukes than renewables Citation needed. Also most of the prohibitive costs surrounding nuclear are artificial - bureaucratic overhead vs. real costs governed by implementing the technology.

ncmncm 4y ago
Really, that is the hill you will die on? Nukes depend on running steam through monster turbines, which need frequent expensive maintenance. Fuel must be replaced periodically. You need highly-skilled operators and security guards at all times. You need periodic deep inspection and refurbishment of operation and safety systems. Renewables incur no such expenses. I didn't even count disaster insurance, which is always provided free by taxpayers because no nuke could pay it and compete.