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At this point i feel so much guilt for driving (on weekends now and then) a guzzler that i’d rather throw it to the bin and never look back. Either way i am nev

At this point i feel so much guilt for driving (on weekends now and then) a guzzler that i’d rather throw it to the bin and never look back. Either way i am never again driving an ice car.

elil17 4y ago
You should check out https://www.carboncounter.com https://www.carboncounter.com If you drive very little and mostly on the highway, a mini ICE car may be more efficient than an electric car (due to the fixed emissions associated with producing the battery). Of course, an electric (or even hybrid) vehicle) is a far, far better choice for the vast majority of drivers.
- mesarvagya 4y ago
  Chart confirms SUV's are worse greenhouse emitter than sedan.
- thejohnconway 4y ago
  So does this chart not include fixed costs? Because there isn’t a single ICE in chart that’s better than any Electric as far as I can see.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    The whole model is dynamic, so you can go into settings and drop the amount of miles you drive per year down, which should bias towards ICE.
- ajross 4y ago
  FWIW, that chart doesn't really substantiate your words. In fact just a tiny handful of plugin hybrids (really just the Ioniq and Prius Prime) reach the lifetime carbon impact seen by even the median EVs. And obviously that demands that the plugin be driven mostly as an EV (i.e. actually be plugged in regularly), something that has been frustratingly false for most deployed vehicles.
  - elil17 4y ago
    If you do 2k miles per year only and all on the highway ICE cars do look favorable. But that is a very atypical circumstance (however, one that OP might be in)
abyssin 4y ago
If you want to be serious about your individual impact, use a personal carbon footprint calculator. It could be that there are other actions you can take that have a lesser impact on your lifestyle. I see many people wasting their energy on cosmetic changes. Also, don’t forget that you have a limited power on the lifestyle you have. Many decisions that destroy the environment are outside of our control.
nicbou 4y ago
I stopped in favour of riding a bicycle. It's nicer. I still own a motorcycle and a car, but I hardly use them anymore. It doesn't feel like a sacrifice because it's genuinely more pleasant. However I visit the home country once a year and I see twenty cars lined up at a drive through with their engines running. It makes me feel like a sucker for even trying.
SoftTalker 4y ago
Nothing you do individually makes any difference at all. Don't feel guilty. Manufacturing a new EV with all the attendant impact from raw materials processing and manufacturing vs keeping an older ICE car where all of that is sunk costs not a clear win in my view.
- FractalHQ 4y ago
  Does this narrative hold true if we replace the individual with “everyone”? How many people does it take to reach a “significant” change?
- penneyd 4y ago
  According to a recent Reuters article using a model developed by the Argonne National Laboratory in Chicago, the point at which an EV’s carbon footprint meets and begins to fall below that of a comparable gas vehicle in the United States is at around 13,500 miles. So after an average year of driving, the EV is better for the environment.
- thunky 4y ago
  Same reason no one should bother voting.
- asdff 4y ago
  A win is replacing the trips you can with a bike.

At this point i feel so much guilt for driving (on weekends now and then) a guzzler that i’d rather throw it to the bin and never look back. Either way i am never again driving an ice car.

elil17 4y ago

You should check out https://www.carboncounter.com https://www.carboncounter.com If you drive very little and mostly on the highway, a mini ICE car may be more efficient than an electric car (due to the fixed emissions associated with producing the battery). Of course, an electric (or even hybrid) vehicle) is a far, far better choice for the vast majority of drivers.

mesarvagya 4y ago
Chart confirms SUV's are worse greenhouse emitter than sedan.
thejohnconway 4y ago
So does this chart not include fixed costs? Because there isn’t a single ICE in chart that’s better than any Electric as far as I can see.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  The whole model is dynamic, so you can go into settings and drop the amount of miles you drive per year down, which should bias towards ICE.
ajross 4y ago
FWIW, that chart doesn't really substantiate your words. In fact just a tiny handful of plugin hybrids (really just the Ioniq and Prius Prime) reach the lifetime carbon impact seen by even the median EVs. And obviously that demands that the plugin be driven mostly as an EV (i.e. actually be plugged in regularly), something that has been frustratingly false for most deployed vehicles.
- elil17 4y ago
  If you do 2k miles per year only and all on the highway ICE cars do look favorable. But that is a very atypical circumstance (however, one that OP might be in)

abyssin 4y ago

If you want to be serious about your individual impact, use a personal carbon footprint calculator. It could be that there are other actions you can take that have a lesser impact on your lifestyle. I see many people wasting their energy on cosmetic changes. Also, don’t forget that you have a limited power on the lifestyle you have. Many decisions that destroy the environment are outside of our control.

nicbou 4y ago

I stopped in favour of riding a bicycle. It's nicer. I still own a motorcycle and a car, but I hardly use them anymore. It doesn't feel like a sacrifice because it's genuinely more pleasant. However I visit the home country once a year and I see twenty cars lined up at a drive through with their engines running. It makes me feel like a sucker for even trying.

SoftTalker 4y ago

Nothing you do individually makes any difference at all. Don't feel guilty. Manufacturing a new EV with all the attendant impact from raw materials processing and manufacturing vs keeping an older ICE car where all of that is sunk costs not a clear win in my view.

FractalHQ 4y ago
Does this narrative hold true if we replace the individual with “everyone”? How many people does it take to reach a “significant” change?
penneyd 4y ago
According to a recent Reuters article using a model developed by the Argonne National Laboratory in Chicago, the point at which an EV’s carbon footprint meets and begins to fall below that of a comparable gas vehicle in the United States is at around 13,500 miles. So after an average year of driving, the EV is better for the environment.
thunky 4y ago
Same reason no one should bother voting.
asdff 4y ago
A win is replacing the trips you can with a bike.