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>various religions has been destructive to vast majority of people. The difference between the modern world and the world of yesterday is that we're the ones t

by tsol 4y ago

>various religions has been destructive to vast majority of people. The difference between the modern world and the world of yesterday is that we're the ones they aren't religious. I would argue it's the opposite-- religion limits you and forces you to be with your community. You have to meet them every week and sit with them, you are obligated to attend their weddings and funerals. The church was historically the center of life in the western world. It's the fact that that doesn't exist anymore, and there is no replacement. The church was a place the lonely could go to find friends, the odd and awkward could go to find purpose, the sick could go to find helpers. I'm not even Christian, but the role it played in yesterday's world was huge. It's because we don't bother to replace these institutions with modern equivalents that people have these problems

swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
For the motivated, these communities still exist - but without the sermon. Volunteer groups, sports, hobby groups, hiking meetups, dance classes, or the nearest bar. YMMV
- tsol 4y ago
  This is somewhat true but it only works for some. The issue is that it requires motivation, whereas the church did not. I think a lot of the bitterness in modern society is from the people in that gap, the people aren't able to motivate themselves perhaps due to depression or circumstances. The other issue with that is it does require some level of social skills. Someone highly autistic, for example, would likely have a hard time meeting people by dancing. There needs to be somewhere for these people to connect with the rest of society
  - stevenicr 4y ago
    While I agree that 'requires motivation' is a thing, and likely more of an issue than others, I must add that location may many times be a bigger thing for many people / places. Being close to a hip city and having no trouble traveling, I did find motivation (for actually going, doing the scheduling, etc) to be a thing - and there are sometimes many layers to that thing. As I encouraged others to do meetup dot com and find groups to hang with - I found that people do indeed have to muster up the motivation - but also location can be an challenge / obstacle. I also think meetup has changed with less options, partially for pandemic but also they went pay to play for listing groups I think? Looking forward to more decentralized group listings and virtual water coolers in the future, maybe web rings coming back to help with that. Also been planning to open more real world 'third place' options hopefully - scouting locations and sketching ideas anyhow.
moistly 4y ago
There are replacements, you just have to seek them out. For instance, Men’s Shed, “a dedicated, friendly and welcoming meeting place where men come together and undertake a variety of mutually agreed activities.” They often perform charitable work and if you need social or emotional support, they’ll listen and help. They fulfill the roles you feel are only available from churches. https://menshed.com/ https://menshed.com/
akomtu 4y ago
The church is failing to evolve: it still stubbornly expects a blind faith in questionable dogmas, revolving mostly around feelings and emotions, while the masses on average are living by rational thinking today. The church needs to update their dogmas, make them rational, more appealing to the thinking crowd, or become irrelevant by the end of the century.

by tsol 4y ago

swagasaurus-rex 4y ago

For the motivated, these communities still exist - but without the sermon. Volunteer groups, sports, hobby groups, hiking meetups, dance classes, or the nearest bar. YMMV

tsol 4y ago
This is somewhat true but it only works for some. The issue is that it requires motivation, whereas the church did not. I think a lot of the bitterness in modern society is from the people in that gap, the people aren't able to motivate themselves perhaps due to depression or circumstances. The other issue with that is it does require some level of social skills. Someone highly autistic, for example, would likely have a hard time meeting people by dancing. There needs to be somewhere for these people to connect with the rest of society
- stevenicr 4y ago
  While I agree that 'requires motivation' is a thing, and likely more of an issue than others, I must add that location may many times be a bigger thing for many people / places. Being close to a hip city and having no trouble traveling, I did find motivation (for actually going, doing the scheduling, etc) to be a thing - and there are sometimes many layers to that thing. As I encouraged others to do meetup dot com and find groups to hang with - I found that people do indeed have to muster up the motivation - but also location can be an challenge / obstacle. I also think meetup has changed with less options, partially for pandemic but also they went pay to play for listing groups I think? Looking forward to more decentralized group listings and virtual water coolers in the future, maybe web rings coming back to help with that. Also been planning to open more real world 'third place' options hopefully - scouting locations and sketching ideas anyhow.

moistly 4y ago

There are replacements, you just have to seek them out. For instance, Men’s Shed, “a dedicated, friendly and welcoming meeting place where men come together and undertake a variety of mutually agreed activities.” They often perform charitable work and if you need social or emotional support, they’ll listen and help. They fulfill the roles you feel are only available from churches. https://menshed.com/ https://menshed.com/

akomtu 4y ago

The church is failing to evolve: it still stubbornly expects a blind faith in questionable dogmas, revolving mostly around feelings and emotions, while the masses on average are living by rational thinking today. The church needs to update their dogmas, make them rational, more appealing to the thinking crowd, or become irrelevant by the end of the century.