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> create a decent native experience I never found an electron application that was even remotely "decent" or "native". The best one I used was Element (Matrix)

> create a decent native experience I never found an electron application that was even remotely "decent" or "native". The best one I used was Element (Matrix), any other way somewhere between "somewhat usable, but not good" (Webex) and "mv program /dev/null" (Teams) The only way to get a good native experience, is to write native apps, using the native Toolkit.

horsawlarway 4y ago
> The only way to get a good native experience, is to write native apps, using the native Toolkit. Hey - I'd love it if companies would do that too. But in the mean time... I'm not enough of an ass to throw away the solutions that work. That said - Webex is not an electron app (Appears to be QT...). Teams is terrible by itself (no electron needed). Other apps do just fine... So I'm not sure what it is you think you're comparing. Slack/Discord/Etcher are all electron, and frankly they work fine (etcher is even nice). So between "You're on linux and we don't support that" vs "Here's a working app with company support (electron based)"... I know which I'd pick.
- JCWasmx86 4y ago
  Ah, well you are right, webex is not even Electron, does not even remotely look like Qt. Discord was - last time I used it on the desktop - awfully sluggish and basically even worse than in a browser. We can just extend it to non-electron toolkits (E.g. Java Swing): - Splash screen (E.g. I've rarely/never seen a native Libadwaita/GTK program that used one, they may exist, but are really rare in the linux world, examples: Teams, Mediathekview) - Custom notifications (E.g. in teams, if you download a file, you get undismissable - at least for me ^^ - notifications that stay always on top) - Weird custom things (E.g. Teams draws on close and minify buttons, that makes no sense) - Order of the buttons in e.g. boxes (Is it Yes-No or No-Yes?) That's how I measure "native-ness"

horsawlarway 4y ago

> The only way to get a good native experience, is to write native apps, using the native Toolkit. Hey - I'd love it if companies would do that too. But in the mean time... I'm not enough of an ass to throw away the solutions that work. That said - Webex is not an electron app (Appears to be QT...). Teams is terrible by itself (no electron needed). Other apps do just fine... So I'm not sure what it is you think you're comparing. Slack/Discord/Etcher are all electron, and frankly they work fine (etcher is even nice). So between "You're on linux and we don't support that" vs "Here's a working app with company support (electron based)"... I know which I'd pick.

JCWasmx86 4y ago
Ah, well you are right, webex is not even Electron, does not even remotely look like Qt. Discord was - last time I used it on the desktop - awfully sluggish and basically even worse than in a browser. We can just extend it to non-electron toolkits (E.g. Java Swing): - Splash screen (E.g. I've rarely/never seen a native Libadwaita/GTK program that used one, they may exist, but are really rare in the linux world, examples: Teams, Mediathekview) - Custom notifications (E.g. in teams, if you download a file, you get undismissable - at least for me ^^ - notifications that stay always on top) - Weird custom things (E.g. Teams draws on close and minify buttons, that makes no sense) - Order of the buttons in e.g. boxes (Is it Yes-No or No-Yes?) That's how I measure "native-ness"