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Don't tell that to the Germans. They would rather have rolling blackouts than go back to nuclear.

daniel-cussen 4y ago
They think they would rather have rolling blackouts than go back to nuclear. Realistically it's the factory leaving town because the electricity economics went from awesome to terrible overnight, that cheap Kay-double-you-aich (kilowatt-hour) left the Old Country and might never come back. Keep in mind these Germans, German Germans in Germany, have been selected by migration to the Americas (and Tanganika, the Carolinas, lots of places) so they're the ones who loved their village and wanted to stay. They've lived there for easily ten generations. But the kilowatt-hour tripled, there's no industry that doesn't prejudice. Like even fucking basket-weaving requires lighting to work beyond sundown. Kilowatt hours man, they're the name of the game. So there's a choice. Dream sweet dreams of solar panels solving all your problems while you shiver and shake, suck up those blackouts while living on unemployment insurance, and maintain a positive attitude. Or call bullshit, declare the German national character competent in ways Japan was not (I would say that particular Japanese industry got caught with its pants down for cutting corners). And that Germans in particular are capable of building reliable, solid reactors with aggressive kilowatt pricing--while at the same time not cutting a single corner on the cement, welding, metallurgy, and structural engineering. Like the culture is perfect for it, one more example is their punctuality, it's evident they can do nuclear. I think they did that for a very long time, in fact. They did not shut down due to a German accident.
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- cinntaile 4y ago
  > Dream sweet dreams of solar panels solving all your problems while you shiver and shake, suck up those blackouts while living on unemployment insurance, and maintain a positive attitude. When you go off on a rant, you should at least know that they do most of their heating using gas and not electricity. You should also realize that new nuclear can't help them with the troubles they have right now, it takes 15+ years to plan and build those things. What they can do is keep the current plants online a while longer and there is support for that. https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Wide-public-support-for-keeping-German-reactors-on?feed=feed https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Wide-public-supp...
  - EricE 4y ago
    What are you going about with new plants? If the just turned back on the plants they stupidly turned off that would make a HUGE dent in their current predicament.
    - cinntaile 4y ago
      I replied to the GP who talked about new plants? I'll cite it for you, so you don't miss it a second time. > And that Germans in particular are capable of building reliable, solid reactors with aggressive kilowatt pricing--while at the same time not cutting a single corner on the cement, welding, metallurgy, and structural engineering. Like the culture is perfect for it, one more example is their punctuality, it's evident they can do nuclear.
  - daniel-cussen 4y ago
    You generally need a combo of gas and electricity.
    - cinntaile 4y ago
      > they do most of their heating using gas and not electricity. I implied this, by using "most". The number of heat pumps is rapidly increasing so in the future electricity will likely become more important but they aren't there yet.
kennend3 4y ago
One of my kids is a nuclear physicist and finds the German situation funny. - Shutdown clean running nuclear power because of panic over "Fukushima" - CHECK - Become dependent on a foreign country with a deep history of issues for your energy needs- CHECK what could go wrong?
- yrgulation 4y ago
  The assumption was that russia wont go against germany, because worse case scenario they will just share east europe. Didnt go as planned as the us and uk stepped in and called their bluff.
jamil7 4y ago
There is a strong anti-nuclear sentiment here but the issues facing Germany are more to do with political incompetence and underinvestment. Nuclear is just one part of the whole mess.
m0llusk 4y ago
That isn't true. Public opinion has recently reversed.

They think they would rather have rolling blackouts than go back to nuclear. Realistically it's the factory leaving town because the electricity economics went from awesome to terrible overnight, that cheap Kay-double-you-aich (kilowatt-hour) left the Old Country and might never come back. Keep in mind these Germans, German Germans in Germany, have been selected by migration to the Americas (and Tanganika, the Carolinas, lots of places) so they're the ones who loved their village and wanted to stay. They've lived there for easily ten generations. But the kilowatt-hour tripled, there's no industry that doesn't prejudice. Like even fucking basket-weaving requires lighting to work beyond sundown. Kilowatt hours man, they're the name of the game. So there's a choice. Dream sweet dreams of solar panels solving all your problems while you shiver and shake, suck up those blackouts while living on unemployment insurance, and maintain a positive attitude. Or call bullshit, declare the German national character competent in ways Japan was not (I would say that particular Japanese industry got caught with its pants down for cutting corners). And that Germans in particular are capable of building reliable, solid reactors with aggressive kilowatt pricing--while at the same time not cutting a single corner on the cement, welding, metallurgy, and structural engineering. Like the culture is perfect for it, one more example is their punctuality, it's evident they can do nuclear. I think they did that for a very long time, in fact. They did not shut down due to a German accident.

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cinntaile 4y ago
> Dream sweet dreams of solar panels solving all your problems while you shiver and shake, suck up those blackouts while living on unemployment insurance, and maintain a positive attitude. When you go off on a rant, you should at least know that they do most of their heating using gas and not electricity. You should also realize that new nuclear can't help them with the troubles they have right now, it takes 15+ years to plan and build those things. What they can do is keep the current plants online a while longer and there is support for that. https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Wide-public-support-for-keeping-German-reactors-on?feed=feed https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Wide-public-supp...
- EricE 4y ago
  What are you going about with new plants? If the just turned back on the plants they stupidly turned off that would make a HUGE dent in their current predicament.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    I replied to the GP who talked about new plants? I'll cite it for you, so you don't miss it a second time. > And that Germans in particular are capable of building reliable, solid reactors with aggressive kilowatt pricing--while at the same time not cutting a single corner on the cement, welding, metallurgy, and structural engineering. Like the culture is perfect for it, one more example is their punctuality, it's evident they can do nuclear.
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  You generally need a combo of gas and electricity.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    > they do most of their heating using gas and not electricity. I implied this, by using "most". The number of heat pumps is rapidly increasing so in the future electricity will likely become more important but they aren't there yet.

kennend3 4y ago

One of my kids is a nuclear physicist and finds the German situation funny. - Shutdown clean running nuclear power because of panic over "Fukushima" - CHECK - Become dependent on a foreign country with a deep history of issues for your energy needs- CHECK what could go wrong?

yrgulation 4y ago
The assumption was that russia wont go against germany, because worse case scenario they will just share east europe. Didnt go as planned as the us and uk stepped in and called their bluff.

jamil7 4y ago

There is a strong anti-nuclear sentiment here but the issues facing Germany are more to do with political incompetence and underinvestment. Nuclear is just one part of the whole mess.

m0llusk 4y ago

That isn't true. Public opinion has recently reversed.