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Genuinely curious why you're intentionally misframing things this way. Is it political? Or you just don't like this guy for some reason? He's been robbed (from
by pc86 4y ago
Genuinely curious why you're intentionally misframing things this way. Is it political? Or you just don't like this guy for some reason? He's been robbed (from what I can see a dozen or more times), and in one instance called the police and held the criminal there until they arrived a few minutes later. Everything completely legal, above board, etc.
This is a perfect example of someone telling the truth in such a way to completely mischaracterize what really happened.
- UncleMeat 4y agoPrivate bounty hunter businesses are harmful to society.
- pc86 4y agoIf they are, then they should be illegal. If they are illegal, and this qualifies, then this guy should be punished. None of this negates anything I said previously.
- UncleMeat 4y agoOur society is not perfect. A large number of antisocial things are legal. It is completely reasonable to criticize somebody for doing a thing that is both legal and also antisocial. I feel for this guy. He is getting screwed by a high-violence region. But his approach to solving this problem makes the world worse, not better.
- pc86 4y agoI think it's important to keep the specifics in mind as these things live and die on the specific details. A criminal came to his private property and attempted to steal. He was able to keep the person there - for less than ten minutes - until that person was arrested. Presumably that person is in jail now or at least on probation. Please explain how just letting this person steal leaves the world better than having him get punished for his actions. When victims of crime shrug their shoulders and just say "aw shucks" it incentivizes more crime, which makes the world objectively worse.
- UncleMeat 4y agoI'm not talking about him protecting his property. I'm talking about the bensforbars thing. Paying people to track down specific criminals is very different than protecting ones property in the moment.
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago> Paying people to track down specific criminals is very different than protecting ones property in the moment. What is the alternative? Paying people to track down criminals is how law enforcement works almost everywhere.
- UncleMeat 4y agoThere is a major difference between a state organization with shared ownership and management through democratic processes and private business. The police have enough problems as an institution. Private vigilantes are going to be worse.
- LudwigNagasena 4y agoThere is a major difference between an organization with shared ownership and management through democratic processes and an institution several decision-makers removed from that. It is not clear that private investigators without privileges of monopoly on violence should be worse.
- ahoy 4y agoIt's not illegal, therefore it's not a bad thing. And since it's not a bad thing, its not illegal. did i get that right
- 12many 4y agoPeople who rob businesses are harmful to society. Fixed that for you.
- UncleMeat 4y agoIt is also true that people who rob businesses are harmful to society. That is completely independent of the terrible outcomes caused by private vigilanteism.
- hunterb123 4y agovigilanteism implies he hunted him down. the trespasser came to his property. the guy confronted him and held him there until the authorities arrived. are you implying people should not protect their livelihood and let trespassers loot even if they could stop them? why should those property owners who are fully in the right morally and legally do that when the trespassers are flagrantly breaking the law?
- UncleMeat 4y agoI'm not talking about him protecting his property. I'm talking about the bensforbars thing.
- hunterb123 4y agoI see, but I don't find a problem with that either though. Seems no different than crime stoppers, it's usually just a reward for information leading to an arrest, it's not an actual bounty. It's not excluding that, but he's most likely hoping someone who knows the person who stole it will rat for the money. And I think you'll have to provide examples of the "terrible outcomes caused by private vigilanteism".
- iluvcommunism 4y agoThis is why I stopped commenting here. HN commenters have schizophrenia it seems like.
- djbebs 4y agoOn the contrary, their lack is what's harmful to society.
- braingenious 4y agoHow could anyone asking questions about somebodythat bought a town be framed as being anything but political? I’m sorry that you didn’t like my factual summary of events, but I provided direct references that were very easy to click on and read more about and I’m glad that you availed yourself to those resources.
- honkdaddy 4y agoCan you please be more clear with what you're trying to say then? You obviously feel very strongly about pontifier and his past, given the amount of time you spent digging into his background, what is the point you are actually trying to make here? Be as direct as possible, please :)
- braingenious 4y agoI asked if the OP was the same person that was posting on Twitter, as what was posted there was a different tone from what was posted on HN. He answered in the affirmative. I did not spend much time “digging into his background”, I clicked a link and read a few posts. Why do you care? Be as direct as possible, please :)
- anm89 4y agoYou seem far more obnoxious than the person you seem to be publicly drumming up hate for :)
- braingenious 4y agoDid you feel hatred for him after reading my post? That was not my intention. As I’ve stated, I was looking for clarity about posts with pretty different tones. I invite you to not read questions directed at people other than you if you find them to be obnoxious.
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