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Humility essentially the core virtue of Christianity, as well as active recognition of pride as a sin. If you dig deep, you’ll find that pride is the root of v

Humility essentially the core virtue of Christianity, as well as active recognition of pride as a sin. If you dig deep, you’ll find that pride is the root of virtually every evil. I’m only pointing this out because of the perception of Christianity that you mention in your post. There’s a very big difference between what Reddit claims is Christian behavior and what the Bible actually claims. https://www.readnotmisled.org/p/the-is-it-christian-litmus-test https://www.readnotmisled.org/p/the-is-it-christian-litmus-t...

noduerme 4y ago
- brightball 4y ago
  I think the root of the perception that Christians don’t understand is that many haven’t read the Bible. Taking a single verse out of context to suit a purpose rather than reading all of the surrounding text is a pretty big problem.
- nbzso 4y ago
  Sorry in advance, to be the goyim and ask: Do you have doubts in this privileged model of thinking, or you enjoy the power and then intellectualize the outcome. Because we as the stupid ones can "hurt ourselves" and we need the "wisdom" of historically proven "chosen" people with higher IQ, moral ground and knowledge. Right?
  - noduerme 4y ago
    No, you are completely reading some bullshit sense of false superiority into what I said. Your comment is antisemitic but I'll address it as it stands as if you mean it honestly. I don't believe in any "chosen". I believe in what my people taught me, just like the Chinese believe in their own 5000 years of history, or the Czechs have pride for fighting back the Russians but I am not "chosen"...or better than anyone... every group of people have grandfathers who taught them how to survive and how to assess the world. That's all. I'm actually just sharing how I see it.. but I don't think I'm better than anyone else let alone it's my job to moralize, or feel power over anyone. I'm just here to express my opinion like everyone else. By the way, can a Muslim have an opinion about Jesus? They sure do. Can a Buddhist? Yes. Well... the man was a Jew and most of the history of antisemitism revolves around Christians pretending he wasn't a rabbi. So this ain't chosen anything I'm just saying what it is... the man was a Jewish rabbi who rebelled in a few good ways against the Hebrew norms... he was a rebel and I admire what he said and did. This is not scorn on goyim. Frankly if you want it? I don't know what you Romans are still doing worshipping a Jew what, in the year 2022, but that's between you and God
    - nbzso 4y ago
      You are wrong, about me. My higher education is theological. I have read some old books. I have a lot of Jewish friends, which have the ability to avoid "antisemitic" label when faced with a constructive question. I put ethical principles above any form of religion. And with the time, my view on religions is growing more negative than positive. Humans essentially are all the same. We have similar needs and dreams, to live decently and enjoy friendship, love and harmony. /// Goy can be used in a derogatory manner. The Yiddish lexicographer Leo Rosten in The New Joys of Yiddish defines goy as someone who is non-Jewish or someone who is dull, insensitive, or heartless.[22] Goy also occurs in many pejorative Yiddish expressions: Dos ken nor a goy - Something only a goy would do or is capable of doing.[22] A goy blabt a goy - "A goy stays a goy," or, less literally, according to Rosten, "What did you expect? Once an anti-Semite always an anti-Semite."[22] Goyisher kopf - "Gentile head," someone who doesn't think ahead, an idiot.[22][23] Goyishe naches - Pleasures or pursuits only a gentile would enjoy.[24] A goy! - Exclamation of exasperation used "when endurance is exhausted, kindliness depleted, the effort to understand useless".[25]
      - noduerme 4y ago
        It's essentially the same word as "Farang" in Thai, just means anyone foreign or outside the ethnicity. The same thing in Chinese translates to "barbarian". I believe Christians have words like "heathen" and "infidel" and "witch" but most of those carry much more viciousness than "goy". Goyim are nonjews. What people do with that or say about them is on them. To be clear, the antisemitic patt of your post was the inference that we all have some opinions about non-Jews, and that calling them goyim was somehow an inside joke. It is literally just a word for anyone not Jewish. You amplified your suspicion of it with your references here but... It means nothing more. Do some white people call black people N** ? Do some white people sit around a bar talking about Kikes? (they do - and I look and act country enough to have heard it a hundred times). Oh yeah and those kikes call us goys... heh. I swear, I've never seen white pride so fearful as when they start ruminating on that little word. But I promise it's mostly just a phrase meaning not one of us. The barbarian overtones are put on by people who don't understand... in order to say "look! they're talking shit about all of us in their funny Yiddish language!" We're not. But thinking we are is basically a conspiracy theory, and that's what makes it antisemitic. Does that make sense?
- pjmorris 4y ago
  I read the New Testament 2-4 times per year (and the Old Testament every year or so) and I'm convinced I don't understand him. But I'm trying.
  - noduerme 4y ago
    I don't understand him and he's one of the most interesting figures of all time... and I say that without believing in his divinity. But I think the direct words are the truest part. If you can ever get your hands on the book "Jesus" by Henri Barbusse .. it is a humbling version of the book told through his own words. Barbusse was a Christian socialist who thought Jesus was basically a communist... but if you look at a lot of what Jesus said, he was mostly a communist (at least compared to the Jews at the time who wanted to suppress his ideas). of course the Jews always have to be the bad guys in this story, even though our only sin was saying this guy wasn't the messiah. But I do personally think that a lot of what he had to say was good and necessary. It was just widely misunderstood which led to thousands of years of my people being slaughtered... but he did make good points about humans, forgiveness, charity and work.
  - brightball 4y ago
    That’s healthy. We can’t ever completely understand, but we can certainly improve with time and study. I found that study groups at church were the most beneficial for me because I hear a lot of perspectives that never crossed my mind. There’s also a great book call The Bible from 30,000 Feet that gives great commentary on each book.
- bloomingeek 4y ago
  <I've read the New Testament and I think actually it's the modern Christians who don't understand him.> Exactly! I'm a former evangelical who could no longer stomach the way they have changed the interpretation of the New Testament to achieve their own means. I'm still a believer and consider ethics as the most important thing any human can achieve. When ethics and the rule of law go out the window humans always turn on each other.
josephg 4y ago
> If you dig deep, you’ll find that pride is the root of virtually every evil. I think we live in the tension between being big and being small in the world. If you're big and you have bad judgement, you'll cause more harm than if you're small and have bad judgement. But being small is also an act of self abandonment. At its extreme, its no life at all. Far too many people I know have no idea how to take up space with the confidence that they have something valuable to add to the world. They have important ideas - but don't back themselves and don't pursue them. We're all worse off when that happens. Whats the point in learning ethics if you keep yourself powerless anyway? I think cowardice and timidity are much bigger problems in modern society than pride.
- noduerme 4y ago

noduerme 4y ago

brightball 4y ago
I think the root of the perception that Christians don’t understand is that many haven’t read the Bible. Taking a single verse out of context to suit a purpose rather than reading all of the surrounding text is a pretty big problem.
nbzso 4y ago
Sorry in advance, to be the goyim and ask: Do you have doubts in this privileged model of thinking, or you enjoy the power and then intellectualize the outcome. Because we as the stupid ones can "hurt ourselves" and we need the "wisdom" of historically proven "chosen" people with higher IQ, moral ground and knowledge. Right?
- noduerme 4y ago
  No, you are completely reading some bullshit sense of false superiority into what I said. Your comment is antisemitic but I'll address it as it stands as if you mean it honestly. I don't believe in any "chosen". I believe in what my people taught me, just like the Chinese believe in their own 5000 years of history, or the Czechs have pride for fighting back the Russians but I am not "chosen"...or better than anyone... every group of people have grandfathers who taught them how to survive and how to assess the world. That's all. I'm actually just sharing how I see it.. but I don't think I'm better than anyone else let alone it's my job to moralize, or feel power over anyone. I'm just here to express my opinion like everyone else. By the way, can a Muslim have an opinion about Jesus? They sure do. Can a Buddhist? Yes. Well... the man was a Jew and most of the history of antisemitism revolves around Christians pretending he wasn't a rabbi. So this ain't chosen anything I'm just saying what it is... the man was a Jewish rabbi who rebelled in a few good ways against the Hebrew norms... he was a rebel and I admire what he said and did. This is not scorn on goyim. Frankly if you want it? I don't know what you Romans are still doing worshipping a Jew what, in the year 2022, but that's between you and God
  - nbzso 4y ago
    You are wrong, about me. My higher education is theological. I have read some old books. I have a lot of Jewish friends, which have the ability to avoid "antisemitic" label when faced with a constructive question. I put ethical principles above any form of religion. And with the time, my view on religions is growing more negative than positive. Humans essentially are all the same. We have similar needs and dreams, to live decently and enjoy friendship, love and harmony. /// Goy can be used in a derogatory manner. The Yiddish lexicographer Leo Rosten in The New Joys of Yiddish defines goy as someone who is non-Jewish or someone who is dull, insensitive, or heartless.[22] Goy also occurs in many pejorative Yiddish expressions: Dos ken nor a goy - Something only a goy would do or is capable of doing.[22] A goy blabt a goy - "A goy stays a goy," or, less literally, according to Rosten, "What did you expect? Once an anti-Semite always an anti-Semite."[22] Goyisher kopf - "Gentile head," someone who doesn't think ahead, an idiot.[22][23] Goyishe naches - Pleasures or pursuits only a gentile would enjoy.[24] A goy! - Exclamation of exasperation used "when endurance is exhausted, kindliness depleted, the effort to understand useless".[25]
    - noduerme 4y ago
      It's essentially the same word as "Farang" in Thai, just means anyone foreign or outside the ethnicity. The same thing in Chinese translates to "barbarian". I believe Christians have words like "heathen" and "infidel" and "witch" but most of those carry much more viciousness than "goy". Goyim are nonjews. What people do with that or say about them is on them. To be clear, the antisemitic patt of your post was the inference that we all have some opinions about non-Jews, and that calling them goyim was somehow an inside joke. It is literally just a word for anyone not Jewish. You amplified your suspicion of it with your references here but... It means nothing more. Do some white people call black people N** ? Do some white people sit around a bar talking about Kikes? (they do - and I look and act country enough to have heard it a hundred times). Oh yeah and those kikes call us goys... heh. I swear, I've never seen white pride so fearful as when they start ruminating on that little word. But I promise it's mostly just a phrase meaning not one of us. The barbarian overtones are put on by people who don't understand... in order to say "look! they're talking shit about all of us in their funny Yiddish language!" We're not. But thinking we are is basically a conspiracy theory, and that's what makes it antisemitic. Does that make sense?
pjmorris 4y ago
I read the New Testament 2-4 times per year (and the Old Testament every year or so) and I'm convinced I don't understand him. But I'm trying.
- noduerme 4y ago
  I don't understand him and he's one of the most interesting figures of all time... and I say that without believing in his divinity. But I think the direct words are the truest part. If you can ever get your hands on the book "Jesus" by Henri Barbusse .. it is a humbling version of the book told through his own words. Barbusse was a Christian socialist who thought Jesus was basically a communist... but if you look at a lot of what Jesus said, he was mostly a communist (at least compared to the Jews at the time who wanted to suppress his ideas). of course the Jews always have to be the bad guys in this story, even though our only sin was saying this guy wasn't the messiah. But I do personally think that a lot of what he had to say was good and necessary. It was just widely misunderstood which led to thousands of years of my people being slaughtered... but he did make good points about humans, forgiveness, charity and work.
- brightball 4y ago
  That’s healthy. We can’t ever completely understand, but we can certainly improve with time and study. I found that study groups at church were the most beneficial for me because I hear a lot of perspectives that never crossed my mind. There’s also a great book call The Bible from 30,000 Feet that gives great commentary on each book.
bloomingeek 4y ago
<I've read the New Testament and I think actually it's the modern Christians who don't understand him.> Exactly! I'm a former evangelical who could no longer stomach the way they have changed the interpretation of the New Testament to achieve their own means. I'm still a believer and consider ethics as the most important thing any human can achieve. When ethics and the rule of law go out the window humans always turn on each other.

josephg 4y ago

> If you dig deep, you’ll find that pride is the root of virtually every evil. I think we live in the tension between being big and being small in the world. If you're big and you have bad judgement, you'll cause more harm than if you're small and have bad judgement. But being small is also an act of self abandonment. At its extreme, its no life at all. Far too many people I know have no idea how to take up space with the confidence that they have something valuable to add to the world. They have important ideas - but don't back themselves and don't pursue them. We're all worse off when that happens. Whats the point in learning ethics if you keep yourself powerless anyway? I think cowardice and timidity are much bigger problems in modern society than pride.

noduerme 4y ago