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I'm in the same boat, but even older than you with 25 years in. I just hate everything except the actual coding - I hate devops, always have. I hate having to l

I'm in the same boat, but even older than you with 25 years in. I just hate everything except the actual coding - I hate devops, always have. I hate having to learn new frameworks every six months and having the fundamental stuff I learned early on - objects are good, always separate presentation from logic - being totally flipped around. I've managed to learn React and Next enough to build stuff in them, but I'm not especially passionate about React - it seems like it's ridiculously hard to do very basic stuff in it and the workarounds all seem like they were designed by the criminally insane. I'm a good coder but not a great one, and I'd love to just find a gig that pays the bills without having to deal with all the masochistic "work is life, I piss in a bottle so I don't have to get up so I can maximize my productivity" bullshit. I just want to write code and make a decent living. I don't even wanna be rich. I just want to not have to stress as much about taking care of my wife and myself. Maybe we should all start our own consultancy - we don't charge you rock star rates but we get the job done. :-D

halflings 4y ago
Don't take it personally, but you seem to hate quite a lot of things that are outside of your control, or just objective truths that are there to stay: * DevOps: If people find value in releasing software in an organized manner to avoid breaking websites / "testing in production" and losing a lot of revenue, why do you strongly hate or care at all? You don't have to work on devops. * Learning new frameworks: Did someone force you to learn every new JS framework released in the past 10 years? React is the main framework people have been using since ~2015-2016, and other frameworks are either not super important (latest CSS framework someone came up with) or worth the cost of learning (Gatsby, Next). Continuous learning is an important skill in all jobs. * "having the fundamental stuff I learned early on - objects are good, always separate presentation from logic - being totally flipped around": People realized that this is not the right approach for building web frontends. These best practices are not meant to be seen as dogma/ideology, they adapt to people's experience (and usually will only apply in some contexts) So I think you can just relax, enjoy the parts you love, and be more open to things changing around you.
- badpun 4y ago
  > * DevOps: If people find value in releasing software in an organized manner to avoid breaking websites / "testing in production" and losing a lot of revenue, why do you strongly hate or care at all? You don't have to work on devops. Nowadays, devops can be the process police, where they define rigid processes which make their life (releasing, version management, hotfixes etc.) easier at the cost of the developers. The processes are automatically enforced by the tools and workflows they write (which are often slow and/or flaky BTW, making things so much worse), so there's no way you could just ignore them.
- idlehand 4y ago
  React is the same base frontend tech but the way you write React, with hooks and state management has changed quite a bit since its initial release. That said I've never bothered to try to become an expert in any particular language or framework. I learn the general underlying concepts and end up googling for the syntax for the first few days when I start using a new library or framework.
5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
in 2010, i would pull an html file from ftp or visual sourcesafe, make my edits and upload. 2022, i need to setup git, setup node, setup credentials, run a bunch of npm commands, which invariably fail and lead me down various rabbit holes, then install docker, then install a bunch of docker updates, then run a build command and hope that all the magic comes to together. just so i can edit a line of copy. it's not fun anymore. the immediacy of web development has gone for me, i feel my time is spent grappling with obscure issues unrelated to the actual work and something stakeholders are totally oblivious and uncaring about.

halflings 4y ago

Don't take it personally, but you seem to hate quite a lot of things that are outside of your control, or just objective truths that are there to stay: * DevOps: If people find value in releasing software in an organized manner to avoid breaking websites / "testing in production" and losing a lot of revenue, why do you strongly hate or care at all? You don't have to work on devops. * Learning new frameworks: Did someone force you to learn every new JS framework released in the past 10 years? React is the main framework people have been using since ~2015-2016, and other frameworks are either not super important (latest CSS framework someone came up with) or worth the cost of learning (Gatsby, Next). Continuous learning is an important skill in all jobs. * "having the fundamental stuff I learned early on - objects are good, always separate presentation from logic - being totally flipped around": People realized that this is not the right approach for building web frontends. These best practices are not meant to be seen as dogma/ideology, they adapt to people's experience (and usually will only apply in some contexts) So I think you can just relax, enjoy the parts you love, and be more open to things changing around you.

badpun 4y ago
> * DevOps: If people find value in releasing software in an organized manner to avoid breaking websites / "testing in production" and losing a lot of revenue, why do you strongly hate or care at all? You don't have to work on devops. Nowadays, devops can be the process police, where they define rigid processes which make their life (releasing, version management, hotfixes etc.) easier at the cost of the developers. The processes are automatically enforced by the tools and workflows they write (which are often slow and/or flaky BTW, making things so much worse), so there's no way you could just ignore them.
idlehand 4y ago
React is the same base frontend tech but the way you write React, with hooks and state management has changed quite a bit since its initial release. That said I've never bothered to try to become an expert in any particular language or framework. I learn the general underlying concepts and end up googling for the syntax for the first few days when I start using a new library or framework.

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago

in 2010, i would pull an html file from ftp or visual sourcesafe, make my edits and upload. 2022, i need to setup git, setup node, setup credentials, run a bunch of npm commands, which invariably fail and lead me down various rabbit holes, then install docker, then install a bunch of docker updates, then run a build command and hope that all the magic comes to together. just so i can edit a line of copy. it's not fun anymore. the immediacy of web development has gone for me, i feel my time is spent grappling with obscure issues unrelated to the actual work and something stakeholders are totally oblivious and uncaring about.