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This is several days old and according to various subs on reddit: There is a (very poorly shot) video from inside of the car, but apparently it's still possibl

by eps 4y ago

This is several days old and according to various subs on reddit: There is a (very poorly shot) video from inside of the car, but apparently it's still possible to see that they tried engaging FSD, but it didn't take. Don't have a link for the video, but it's easy to find. The video comes from a guy who's campaigning for a Senate (?) seat and the only campaign issue is that of anti-Tesla.

xedeon 4y ago
His senate bid was mainly for legal protection since he can't get sued under the guise that they are "political ads".
- mlindner 4y ago
  Source on that one? That seems like a very strange loophole that wouldn't hold up generally in court. It'd be very easy to show during discovery that his primary incentive is profit and further demonstrate he had no intention of winning by very low vote counts.
  - xedeon 4y ago
    "There is no federal truth-in-advertising law that applies to political ads, and the very few states that have tried such legislation have had little or no success. " https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087047638/the-truth-in-political-advertising-youre-allowed-to-lie https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087047638/the-truth-in-polit...
    - mlindner 4y ago
      I don't think you get an opt-out for political ads when you're not talking about another politician or the government itself.
  - Fatnino 4y ago
    So like Trump's campaign in 2015? I had the impression in late 2016 that he was like the dog that caught the car.
rvz 4y ago
> The video comes from a guy who's campaigning for a Senate (?) seat and the only campaign issue is that of anti-Tesla. You can be anti-FSD / autopilot and still be pro-Tesla. The problem is how both autopilot / FSD have been advertised by Tesla vs what is happening in reality and on top of that the constant malfunctioning of this system and the questionable safety claims made by them tells us that it is is quite frankly deceptive and at as worse, a scam; including the price hikes. This is even before the robo-taxi vapourware Elon was 'highly confident' in releasing. It was never about delivering a Level 5 Full Self Driving system. It was all about continuously over-promising and scamming their customers to buy more Tesla cars and additionally buy autopilot and FSD and pay for the price hikes on subscription.
- xedeon 4y ago
  > The problem is how both autopilot / FSD have been advertised by Tesla German appeals court reverses lower court ruling against Tesla & permits “Autopilot” marketing. ▪The 2019 lawsuit of the influential “Wettbewerbszentrale”, a “non-profit” financed in part by Tesla competitors, has mostly failed. ▪The ruling is final. https://teslamag.de/news/exklusiv-web-werbung-tesla-autopilot-fsd-option-deutschland-zulaessig-51722 https://teslamag.de/news/exklusiv-web-werbung-tesla-autopilo...

by eps 4y ago

xedeon 4y ago

His senate bid was mainly for legal protection since he can't get sued under the guise that they are "political ads".

mlindner 4y ago
Source on that one? That seems like a very strange loophole that wouldn't hold up generally in court. It'd be very easy to show during discovery that his primary incentive is profit and further demonstrate he had no intention of winning by very low vote counts.
- xedeon 4y ago
  "There is no federal truth-in-advertising law that applies to political ads, and the very few states that have tried such legislation have had little or no success. " https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087047638/the-truth-in-political-advertising-youre-allowed-to-lie https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087047638/the-truth-in-polit...
  - mlindner 4y ago
    I don't think you get an opt-out for political ads when you're not talking about another politician or the government itself.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  So like Trump's campaign in 2015? I had the impression in late 2016 that he was like the dog that caught the car.

rvz 4y ago

> The video comes from a guy who's campaigning for a Senate (?) seat and the only campaign issue is that of anti-Tesla. You can be anti-FSD / autopilot and still be pro-Tesla. The problem is how both autopilot / FSD have been advertised by Tesla vs what is happening in reality and on top of that the constant malfunctioning of this system and the questionable safety claims made by them tells us that it is is quite frankly deceptive and at as worse, a scam; including the price hikes. This is even before the robo-taxi vapourware Elon was 'highly confident' in releasing. It was never about delivering a Level 5 Full Self Driving system. It was all about continuously over-promising and scamming their customers to buy more Tesla cars and additionally buy autopilot and FSD and pay for the price hikes on subscription.

xedeon 4y ago
> The problem is how both autopilot / FSD have been advertised by Tesla German appeals court reverses lower court ruling against Tesla & permits “Autopilot” marketing. ▪The 2019 lawsuit of the influential “Wettbewerbszentrale”, a “non-profit” financed in part by Tesla competitors, has mostly failed. ▪The ruling is final. https://teslamag.de/news/exklusiv-web-werbung-tesla-autopilot-fsd-option-deutschland-zulaessig-51722 https://teslamag.de/news/exklusiv-web-werbung-tesla-autopilo...