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This attitude can be found anywhere in the world.

illuminati1911 4y ago
As someone who has lived several years in China, it most definitely cannot be found. In some places maybe, but not anywhere or at least not in the same magnitude. This article may simplify it too much and fail to explain it properly but the "cha bu duo" really is part of every single thing in every day life within Chinese society. It's how people cook their food, it's how delivery services function, it's the promises that are given to other people and it's also how the manufacturing works etc. And it's definitely much more common in China than elsewhere. Also it's not always a negative thing, although most western people would definitely think it is in most cases.
- qprofyeh 4y ago
  So in other parts of the world services are subpar and people lie to you about how they put in all that effort or blame someone else, then you foolishly forgive them for trying but failing due to incompetence or bad luck. When the services are equally subpar but people are actually honest about not giving a fly and just making a living, you feel that that country doesn’t have the right attitude. It’s funny how communication/presentation matters. Consumers want providers to at least pretend they like them and gave a 100% for their money.
cyber_kinetist 4y ago
For example, most of the software industry…
Markoff 4y ago
No, it can't be found to such extent almost anywhere in Europe (it's quite rare), maybe in in (lazy/poor) South Europe, but it's prevalent in Southeast Asia to same/similar extent as in China, by my experiences Laos is beating even in China in chabuduo approach to everything, which is reason why they are developing at such pace compared to their neighbors.
- qprofyeh 4y ago
  Ever renovated a house? These people only ever aim for good enough. To someone with any standards regarding materials and construction, most IKEA products are basically crap. Hairdressers, chefs, drivers, 95% of the world don’t operate in an exact sciences mode. We can get mad at all of them for not having enough responsibility and passion for their craft.
  - Markoff 4y ago
    Yes, they just last month installed new pipes for my AC instead of faulty pumps (never ever use AC to pump water from AC, lived in many places, this is only time i had problem with AC thanks to effin pumps, year ago 1/3 died, this june 3/3 died including the new one, I guess it had to be overvoltage), despite my very laidback approach to look/design they took their time* to make it look nicer than required, but it was still below estimated price and they didn't realy waste any time under my supervision. * Solution to "good enough" issue is called _pay per hour_ instead _pay per task/project_. Hourly payment motivates worker to make it perfect without rushing, task payment motivates him to finish ASAP regardless of delivered quality. Obviously there are exemptions, but it sums up chabuduo approach. Obviously in poor countries (e.g. China) with low hourly pay it won't make that much difference.

illuminati1911 4y ago

As someone who has lived several years in China, it most definitely cannot be found. In some places maybe, but not anywhere or at least not in the same magnitude. This article may simplify it too much and fail to explain it properly but the "cha bu duo" really is part of every single thing in every day life within Chinese society. It's how people cook their food, it's how delivery services function, it's the promises that are given to other people and it's also how the manufacturing works etc. And it's definitely much more common in China than elsewhere. Also it's not always a negative thing, although most western people would definitely think it is in most cases.

qprofyeh 4y ago
So in other parts of the world services are subpar and people lie to you about how they put in all that effort or blame someone else, then you foolishly forgive them for trying but failing due to incompetence or bad luck. When the services are equally subpar but people are actually honest about not giving a fly and just making a living, you feel that that country doesn’t have the right attitude. It’s funny how communication/presentation matters. Consumers want providers to at least pretend they like them and gave a 100% for their money.

cyber_kinetist 4y ago

For example, most of the software industry…

Markoff 4y ago

No, it can't be found to such extent almost anywhere in Europe (it's quite rare), maybe in in (lazy/poor) South Europe, but it's prevalent in Southeast Asia to same/similar extent as in China, by my experiences Laos is beating even in China in chabuduo approach to everything, which is reason why they are developing at such pace compared to their neighbors.

qprofyeh 4y ago
Ever renovated a house? These people only ever aim for good enough. To someone with any standards regarding materials and construction, most IKEA products are basically crap. Hairdressers, chefs, drivers, 95% of the world don’t operate in an exact sciences mode. We can get mad at all of them for not having enough responsibility and passion for their craft.
- Markoff 4y ago
  Yes, they just last month installed new pipes for my AC instead of faulty pumps (never ever use AC to pump water from AC, lived in many places, this is only time i had problem with AC thanks to effin pumps, year ago 1/3 died, this june 3/3 died including the new one, I guess it had to be overvoltage), despite my very laidback approach to look/design they took their time* to make it look nicer than required, but it was still below estimated price and they didn't realy waste any time under my supervision. * Solution to "good enough" issue is called _pay per hour_ instead _pay per task/project_. Hourly payment motivates worker to make it perfect without rushing, task payment motivates him to finish ASAP regardless of delivered quality. Obviously there are exemptions, but it sums up chabuduo approach. Obviously in poor countries (e.g. China) with low hourly pay it won't make that much difference.