It is an interesting question. It is clear that some of these these alternatives can stand on fairly similar price points without subsidies - other more newer p

It is an interesting question. It is clear that some of these these alternatives can stand on fairly similar price points without subsidies - other more newer players, not so much. I'm thinking things like Beyond meat that simply do not have a price advantage in any fashion. It really does feel like the only way to make a dint is to either wait for prices to raise so much that even the subsidies don't save the industry or they just remove the subsidies altogether. I suspect the latter is not likely anytime soon.