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> You don’t jailbreak an Apple, you don’t borrow a library, and you don’t order a McDonald’s. You can indeed jailbreak an Apple and order Mcdonald's. >It’s an

> You don’t jailbreak an Apple, you don’t borrow a library, and you don’t order a McDonald’s. You can indeed jailbreak an Apple and order Mcdonald's. >It’s an important distinction and everyone is looking at me like I’m a moron because I know that and they don’t. You're being unnecessarily pedantic. Anyone who actually cares about the distinction can watch the DefCon presentation or view the associated media about it. I would think most HN users don't own industrial agricultural machinery that they'd be desperate to jailbreak, and those who do are probably already in the right communities. For everyone else this is just cool news about jail-breaking / right to repair / etc., and are not going to need to implement it in practice. For what it's worth, it is apparently model 2630 and 4240 control consoles which appear in a variety of tractor models. >Also, don’t tell someone to “chill.” It is extremely disrespectful and incendiary. It is appropriate to tell someone to chill out when they're needlessly dramatic and aggressive over trivial details. Check your ego at the door.

naikrovek 4y ago
- randomdata 4y ago
  > you can't jailbreak "an" Apple, and you can't order "a" McDonald's. Nor can you drive a Ferrari, but people often say such things anyway, especially when they don't know what kind of Ferrari it is that they see being driven where only recognizing the Ferrari branding. This is not uncommon at all. It's only less common when specifics are common knowledge. Most people are familiar with Apple's products, so they can be more specific. Most people are familiar with McDonald's products, so they can be more specific. Most people have absolutely no idea what John Deere does beyond some fuzzy notion of "farm equipment manufacturer". In hospitality, "I'll order a Local Craft Beer Co." is something I hear quite often, where the individual beers made by 'Local Craft Beer Co.' don't have wide recognition. This is functionally the same as your McDonalds example.
- waste_monk 4y ago
  >you can't jailbreak "an" Apple You can, because any fluent English speaker will understand that you are referring to some type of mobile phone or tablet device manufactured by Apple (which implicitly excludes Macbook, iMac, etc. devices that do not need to be jailbroken). It is not necessary to specify exact model numbers and so on. Keep in mind the source material was a tweet and not a media release or technical documentation where that level of detail would be appropriate. The use of colloquialisms is fine in casual communication. > and you can't order "a" McDonald's. Because no one would say "I'm going to order a McDonald's" without specifying some particular item. But if you are ordering McDonald's in general you would drop the "a", e.g. if you were with a group of people you might say "I'm ordering McDonald's, does anyone want anything?", you wouldn't say "I'm ordering a McDonald's cheeseburger, does anyone want anything?" as it is far more clumsy and the other people involved will neither care or need to know about what you are ordering for yourself. Out of curiosity, is English an acquired language for you? I have seen ESL speakers with similar problems when informal / day-to-day use of the language differs from the more formal version they were taught.
  - naikrovek 4y ago
dang 4y ago
Please don't break the site guidelines yourself, regardless of what another commenter is doing or you feel they are. It only makes the thread worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- waste_monk 4y ago
  My apologies. I appreciate the effort that goes into moderating this place and making it such a pleasant community, and I'm sorry to have caused you extra work.

naikrovek 4y ago

randomdata 4y ago
> you can't jailbreak "an" Apple, and you can't order "a" McDonald's. Nor can you drive a Ferrari, but people often say such things anyway, especially when they don't know what kind of Ferrari it is that they see being driven where only recognizing the Ferrari branding. This is not uncommon at all. It's only less common when specifics are common knowledge. Most people are familiar with Apple's products, so they can be more specific. Most people are familiar with McDonald's products, so they can be more specific. Most people have absolutely no idea what John Deere does beyond some fuzzy notion of "farm equipment manufacturer". In hospitality, "I'll order a Local Craft Beer Co." is something I hear quite often, where the individual beers made by 'Local Craft Beer Co.' don't have wide recognition. This is functionally the same as your McDonalds example.
waste_monk 4y ago
>you can't jailbreak "an" Apple You can, because any fluent English speaker will understand that you are referring to some type of mobile phone or tablet device manufactured by Apple (which implicitly excludes Macbook, iMac, etc. devices that do not need to be jailbroken). It is not necessary to specify exact model numbers and so on. Keep in mind the source material was a tweet and not a media release or technical documentation where that level of detail would be appropriate. The use of colloquialisms is fine in casual communication. > and you can't order "a" McDonald's. Because no one would say "I'm going to order a McDonald's" without specifying some particular item. But if you are ordering McDonald's in general you would drop the "a", e.g. if you were with a group of people you might say "I'm ordering McDonald's, does anyone want anything?", you wouldn't say "I'm ordering a McDonald's cheeseburger, does anyone want anything?" as it is far more clumsy and the other people involved will neither care or need to know about what you are ordering for yourself. Out of curiosity, is English an acquired language for you? I have seen ESL speakers with similar problems when informal / day-to-day use of the language differs from the more formal version they were taught.
- naikrovek 4y ago

dang 4y ago

Please don't break the site guidelines yourself, regardless of what another commenter is doing or you feel they are. It only makes the thread worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

waste_monk 4y ago
My apologies. I appreciate the effort that goes into moderating this place and making it such a pleasant community, and I'm sorry to have caused you extra work.