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Please show me a single person who is both strongly anti-racist and strongly against free community college in the USA.

by blt 4y ago

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rayiner 4y ago
I didn’t say they opposed free college. I said the folks you would expect to support free college (those left of center) have been co-opted by a version of “anti-racism” that treats acknowledging civilizational competition with China as “racist.” There’s lots of people who support free college(or at least claim to)—but not as a means to rebuild the American industrial base and get jobs back from China. They support free college, but also oppose tariffs and other America first policies.
- swores 4y ago
  What's the point of this apparent straw man? The reason the US can't / doesn't / shouldn't (not sure which, but presume you're suggesting at least one of those otherwise your comment's irrelevant) provide free college is because too many people who support they policy also support continued collaboration with China? I don't see how that's relavent even if we set aside nuances and just agree for the sake of this topic to say that whatever your view on how relations with China should or shouldn't be is the right one. edit: oh my bad it's not a straw man, you did create a link in your first comment it was just so tenuous I'd forgotten it. > Because the folks who would ordinarily be advocating for free community college don’t want kids to go to school to learn those things. So it's the fault of the left wing for not being left wing enough?
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > So it's the fault of the left wing for not being left wing enough? It’s the fault of the left wing for abandoning its traditional working class base to advance the interests of its elite donor class, which increasingly benefits from globalism. Societies have groups with conflicting interests, and political parties represent those groups. Right wing groups will exist, and should exist, to represent the interests of businesses and upper classes. That’s not a problem. It’s a problem when left wing groups are co-opted by ideologies that causes them to turn on the working class people they are supposed to represent.

Please show me a single person who is both strongly anti-racist and strongly against free community college in the USA.

by blt 4y ago

Please show me a single person who is both strongly anti-racist and strongly against free community college in the USA.

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rayiner 4y ago

I didn’t say they opposed free college. I said the folks you would expect to support free college (those left of center) have been co-opted by a version of “anti-racism” that treats acknowledging civilizational competition with China as “racist.” There’s lots of people who support free college(or at least claim to)—but not as a means to rebuild the American industrial base and get jobs back from China. They support free college, but also oppose tariffs and other America first policies.

swores 4y ago
What's the point of this apparent straw man? The reason the US can't / doesn't / shouldn't (not sure which, but presume you're suggesting at least one of those otherwise your comment's irrelevant) provide free college is because too many people who support they policy also support continued collaboration with China? I don't see how that's relavent even if we set aside nuances and just agree for the sake of this topic to say that whatever your view on how relations with China should or shouldn't be is the right one. edit: oh my bad it's not a straw man, you did create a link in your first comment it was just so tenuous I'd forgotten it. > Because the folks who would ordinarily be advocating for free community college don’t want kids to go to school to learn those things. So it's the fault of the left wing for not being left wing enough?
- rayiner 4y ago
  > So it's the fault of the left wing for not being left wing enough? It’s the fault of the left wing for abandoning its traditional working class base to advance the interests of its elite donor class, which increasingly benefits from globalism. Societies have groups with conflicting interests, and political parties represent those groups. Right wing groups will exist, and should exist, to represent the interests of businesses and upper classes. That’s not a problem. It’s a problem when left wing groups are co-opted by ideologies that causes them to turn on the working class people they are supposed to represent.