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> You’re OK with public school being paid for by tax I’m not. Show me a child at a public school who wouldn’t be better educated by a private school for the sa

> You’re OK with public school being paid for by tax I’m not. Show me a child at a public school who wouldn’t be better educated by a private school for the same price.

cloudsec9 4y ago
Oh, I don't know where to START with this one. I think people hear "private" and they think "better". Which in some cases, sure. But when you hear "private" you should think "FOR PROFIT". And we all know the way to maximize profit is by maximizing spending and minimizing revenue, right? I am blessed that public schools in my area are EXTREMELY good. To compete, private schools have to have smaller class sizes and charge a LOT more then a comparative public education costs. If you drop all students in the public system into a private system, to have things COST the same to parents, you'd have to ramp up class sizes or cut what you are providing. Plus, you have to run a profit, so more incentives to skimp. I think in a lot of areas, due to chronic underfunding, the public school system is bad. But the way to fix this is adequate funding, not the notion that private schools are magic and that the same funding level will lead to similar outcomes.
- junofan 4y ago
  Show me the data.
  - cloudsec9 4y ago
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geographic-disparity-states-best-and-worst-schools/1079181001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geog... Poor funding seems to be strangely well correlated with poor educational outcomes in public education. And well funded systems seem to produce good results.
insightcheck 4y ago
I can show you one counter-example, which should work. Hunter College High School in New York City is a public school, and its students disproportionately end up in top US universities (from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School). The graduates of the private high school near the neighborhood I grew up in, however, mostly ended up as accountants after attending a local public university. For specifics, you can take most private high schools in the US (even many of the very expensive ones), and they won't have as good outcomes recorded for their students as Hunter or its equivalent public schools in New York City.

> You’re OK with public school being paid for by tax I’m not. Show me a child at a public school who wouldn’t be better educated by a private school for the same price.

cloudsec9 4y ago

Oh, I don't know where to START with this one. I think people hear "private" and they think "better". Which in some cases, sure. But when you hear "private" you should think "FOR PROFIT". And we all know the way to maximize profit is by maximizing spending and minimizing revenue, right? I am blessed that public schools in my area are EXTREMELY good. To compete, private schools have to have smaller class sizes and charge a LOT more then a comparative public education costs. If you drop all students in the public system into a private system, to have things COST the same to parents, you'd have to ramp up class sizes or cut what you are providing. Plus, you have to run a profit, so more incentives to skimp. I think in a lot of areas, due to chronic underfunding, the public school system is bad. But the way to fix this is adequate funding, not the notion that private schools are magic and that the same funding level will lead to similar outcomes.

junofan 4y ago
Show me the data.
- cloudsec9 4y ago
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geographic-disparity-states-best-and-worst-schools/1079181001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geog... Poor funding seems to be strangely well correlated with poor educational outcomes in public education. And well funded systems seem to produce good results.

insightcheck 4y ago

I can show you one counter-example, which should work. Hunter College High School in New York City is a public school, and its students disproportionately end up in top US universities (from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School). The graduates of the private high school near the neighborhood I grew up in, however, mostly ended up as accountants after attending a local public university. For specifics, you can take most private high schools in the US (even many of the very expensive ones), and they won't have as good outcomes recorded for their students as Hunter or its equivalent public schools in New York City.