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Because if they don't have to pay for it, theyll do it because it's what interests them and we will get more interacademic crossover ideas. Which is where innov

Because if they don't have to pay for it, theyll do it because it's what interests them and we will get more interacademic crossover ideas. Which is where innovation thrives! As it stands, people who persue their dreams are forced to go into debt which is, I assume, a shitty thing to have to do and probably doesn't promote creative problem solving (beyond how to get a higher paying job to pay off the debt). Also, because an eclectically educated mix of people is likely more pleasant to live amongst than an uneducated group. And since it would benefit everyone to have everyone educated it should be paid for with taxes. Plus it's simply good to leave the world better than you came into it.

didgeoridoo 4y ago
Four years of on-campus private school education is a consumption good and I’m not paying for it with my taxes. Nobody who commutes to state school is graduating with six figures of life-destroying debt, and the educational quality is the same or better. Don’t fall for the shiny brochures. A decent, cheap higher education can be had if you aren’t in it for the parties.
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  For example, in the most populous US state, California, there's a CSU within commuting distance of probably 95% of the population, had for $6k/year, such that student loans at 4% mean a cost of $960/year interest. If you were truly financially savvy (and not having the rest of your countrymen paying for your dorm fraternity experience), the first two years would be community college, at a cost of $2k/year and an interest cost of $640/year. But maybe I'm biased since I paid for my 3 years community college and 2 years of UC by choosing Computer Science and paying for the $30k with my first year's salary. All of my peers had that option.
  - fezfight 4y ago
    Is that what you wanted to study? Or did you do it because you had to, just to be able to pay for it? You're OK with public school being paid for by tax, but not post secondary. Why?
    - junofan 4y ago
      > You’re OK with public school being paid for by tax I’m not. Show me a child at a public school who wouldn’t be better educated by a private school for the same price.
      - cloudsec9 4y ago
        Oh, I don't know where to START with this one. I think people hear "private" and they think "better". Which in some cases, sure. But when you hear "private" you should think "FOR PROFIT". And we all know the way to maximize profit is by maximizing spending and minimizing revenue, right? I am blessed that public schools in my area are EXTREMELY good. To compete, private schools have to have smaller class sizes and charge a LOT more then a comparative public education costs. If you drop all students in the public system into a private system, to have things COST the same to parents, you'd have to ramp up class sizes or cut what you are providing. Plus, you have to run a profit, so more incentives to skimp. I think in a lot of areas, due to chronic underfunding, the public school system is bad. But the way to fix this is adequate funding, not the notion that private schools are magic and that the same funding level will lead to similar outcomes.
        junofan 4y ago
        Show me the data.
        cloudsec9 4y ago
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geographic-disparity-states-best-and-worst-schools/1079181001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geog... Poor funding seems to be strangely well correlated with poor educational outcomes in public education. And well funded systems seem to produce good results.
      - insightcheck 4y ago
        I can show you one counter-example, which should work. Hunter College High School in New York City is a public school, and its students disproportionately end up in top US universities (from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School). The graduates of the private high school near the neighborhood I grew up in, however, mostly ended up as accountants after attending a local public university. For specifics, you can take most private high schools in the US (even many of the very expensive ones), and they won't have as good outcomes recorded for their students as Hunter or its equivalent public schools in New York City.
- fezfight 4y ago
  I'm curious to hear why you are ok with elementary through to high schools being paid for with tax?

didgeoridoo 4y ago

Four years of on-campus private school education is a consumption good and I’m not paying for it with my taxes. Nobody who commutes to state school is graduating with six figures of life-destroying debt, and the educational quality is the same or better. Don’t fall for the shiny brochures. A decent, cheap higher education can be had if you aren’t in it for the parties.

throwaway_4ever 4y ago
For example, in the most populous US state, California, there's a CSU within commuting distance of probably 95% of the population, had for $6k/year, such that student loans at 4% mean a cost of $960/year interest. If you were truly financially savvy (and not having the rest of your countrymen paying for your dorm fraternity experience), the first two years would be community college, at a cost of $2k/year and an interest cost of $640/year. But maybe I'm biased since I paid for my 3 years community college and 2 years of UC by choosing Computer Science and paying for the $30k with my first year's salary. All of my peers had that option.
- fezfight 4y ago
  Is that what you wanted to study? Or did you do it because you had to, just to be able to pay for it? You're OK with public school being paid for by tax, but not post secondary. Why?
  - junofan 4y ago
    > You’re OK with public school being paid for by tax I’m not. Show me a child at a public school who wouldn’t be better educated by a private school for the same price.
    - cloudsec9 4y ago
      Oh, I don't know where to START with this one. I think people hear "private" and they think "better". Which in some cases, sure. But when you hear "private" you should think "FOR PROFIT". And we all know the way to maximize profit is by maximizing spending and minimizing revenue, right? I am blessed that public schools in my area are EXTREMELY good. To compete, private schools have to have smaller class sizes and charge a LOT more then a comparative public education costs. If you drop all students in the public system into a private system, to have things COST the same to parents, you'd have to ramp up class sizes or cut what you are providing. Plus, you have to run a profit, so more incentives to skimp. I think in a lot of areas, due to chronic underfunding, the public school system is bad. But the way to fix this is adequate funding, not the notion that private schools are magic and that the same funding level will lead to similar outcomes.
      - junofan 4y ago
        Show me the data.
        cloudsec9 4y ago
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geographic-disparity-states-best-and-worst-schools/1079181001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geog... Poor funding seems to be strangely well correlated with poor educational outcomes in public education. And well funded systems seem to produce good results.
    - insightcheck 4y ago
      I can show you one counter-example, which should work. Hunter College High School in New York City is a public school, and its students disproportionately end up in top US universities (from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College_High_School). The graduates of the private high school near the neighborhood I grew up in, however, mostly ended up as accountants after attending a local public university. For specifics, you can take most private high schools in the US (even many of the very expensive ones), and they won't have as good outcomes recorded for their students as Hunter or its equivalent public schools in New York City.
fezfight 4y ago
I'm curious to hear why you are ok with elementary through to high schools being paid for with tax?