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Usually I don't reply to rude comments but why would someone bother to steal zig and call it zen? https://zen-lang.org/ja-JP/docs/ch04-defer-errdefer/ https://z

Usually I don't reply to rude comments but why would someone bother to steal zig and call it zen? https://zen-lang.org/ja-JP/docs/ch04-defer-errdefer/ https://zen-lang.org/ja-JP/docs/ch04-defer-errdefer/

Cyberdog 4y ago
No idea. As someone learning Zig currently and finding it quite pleasant, it disappoints me to see that happening. But I guess it depends on what your goals are. If you want this language to be used by as many people as possible, you want to remove any obstacles to that, and a sign-up wall is a big one. You also have to consider the competition. I can go to my package manager and download compilers and runtimes for probably over 200 languages right now without having to submit any information about myself - I did it for Zig the other day. If your language and compiler are so mind-blowing that I should be glad to subject myself to the friction I have to go through to use yours instead, you really need to sell that to me with more than, as mentioned in another subthread, a promise of ambiguous features not found in other languages. So free your code. Sell it to me as much as possible on the web site with all of its amazing capabilities and features and libraries. And if some company rips it off and passes it off as their own thing, make hay from it - write up a blog post about how the nasty big evil company stole the work of a plucky li'l FOSS team, but you're just going to keep plugging away and improving your code regardless. Then post it to HN. You'll get updoots through the roof and plenty of sympathetic new eyes on the project.
quelltext 4y ago
They seem to have a good write up to explain that: https://zen-lang.org/zig/ https://zen-lang.org/zig/ Also: forking /= stealing
- lifthrasiir 4y ago
  You may want to check out the official statement [1] from the Zig foundation as well. Even though forking is not necessarily stealing, what they have done seems more accurately described as stealing. [1] https://ziglang.org/news/statement-regarding-zen-programming-language/ https://ziglang.org/news/statement-regarding-zen-programming... (HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24481142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24481142 )
  - quelltext 4y ago
    Not really. Like, I would't use Zen personally and it's fair for Zig to highlight their concerns, but still none of this is stealing, and seems more like a petty disagreement, the cause of many forks on other projects in history.
- t-3 4y ago
  > forking /= stealing I think many people just fundamentally don't understand sharing or friendly coexistence. The drive to dominate and control is sooo maladaptive for society but very widespread.
artemonster 4y ago
You do understand that this makes your PL dead right from the birth, right?

Cyberdog 4y ago

No idea. As someone learning Zig currently and finding it quite pleasant, it disappoints me to see that happening. But I guess it depends on what your goals are. If you want this language to be used by as many people as possible, you want to remove any obstacles to that, and a sign-up wall is a big one. You also have to consider the competition. I can go to my package manager and download compilers and runtimes for probably over 200 languages right now without having to submit any information about myself - I did it for Zig the other day. If your language and compiler are so mind-blowing that I should be glad to subject myself to the friction I have to go through to use yours instead, you really need to sell that to me with more than, as mentioned in another subthread, a promise of ambiguous features not found in other languages. So free your code. Sell it to me as much as possible on the web site with all of its amazing capabilities and features and libraries. And if some company rips it off and passes it off as their own thing, make hay from it - write up a blog post about how the nasty big evil company stole the work of a plucky li'l FOSS team, but you're just going to keep plugging away and improving your code regardless. Then post it to HN. You'll get updoots through the roof and plenty of sympathetic new eyes on the project.

quelltext 4y ago

They seem to have a good write up to explain that: https://zen-lang.org/zig/ https://zen-lang.org/zig/ Also: forking /= stealing

lifthrasiir 4y ago
You may want to check out the official statement [1] from the Zig foundation as well. Even though forking is not necessarily stealing, what they have done seems more accurately described as stealing. [1] https://ziglang.org/news/statement-regarding-zen-programming-language/ https://ziglang.org/news/statement-regarding-zen-programming... (HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24481142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24481142 )
- quelltext 4y ago
  Not really. Like, I would't use Zen personally and it's fair for Zig to highlight their concerns, but still none of this is stealing, and seems more like a petty disagreement, the cause of many forks on other projects in history.
t-3 4y ago
> forking /= stealing I think many people just fundamentally don't understand sharing or friendly coexistence. The drive to dominate and control is sooo maladaptive for society but very widespread.

artemonster 4y ago

You do understand that this makes your PL dead right from the birth, right?