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Off topic: there seems to be a growing trend at HN of posts reaching the homepage with a reasonable number of upvotes yet without comments. I don't know how to

Off topic: there seems to be a growing trend at HN of posts reaching the homepage with a reasonable number of upvotes yet without comments. I don't know how to proceed with these posts (and this one), yet the temptation of mentally flagging these as friendly upvotes or point hoarders is strong, and I must admit that such posts receive less attention and more suspicion from me. YMMV.

rubiquity 4y ago
You could try reading the article and commenting with your own original thoughts.
- xcambar 4y ago
  What makes you assume I did not read? How shocking is it that, on some article and topic, I do not have a comment I deem interesting enough to share? Besides, if you do not appreciate my specificly off-topic contribution, then so be it.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - xiande04 4y ago
    > What makes you assume I did not read? OP didn't say you didn't read it. They said that you didn't read it AND attempt to start a meaningful discussion about it, which exactly what you were complaining about, right?
    - xcambar 4y ago
      If you mean meaningful with regards to the topic, I'd agree with you and knew it from the start, hence the "off-topic" warning. My intention was to confront my experience and behavior (towards certain categories of posts of high upvotes/comment ratio) with the rest of the HN crowd, in a contextualized environment where it applies. I'm sorry that the conversation now revolves around my own comment. Kinda ironic.
- kordlessagain 4y ago
  All you need are logs. Also, https://honeycomb.io https://honeycomb.io looks pretty dope.
  - metadat 4y ago
    The honeycomb-dot-io case was bad, I attended their conference once and it was like I'd been suckered into a neverending timeshare sales tour. Thankfully I haven't noticed the domain on the frontpage lately. Compare: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=honeycomb.io https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=honeycomb.io https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=metaplane.dev https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=metaplane.dev Both look like they want to game HN pretty hard. If only they'd publish actual novel or interesting information instead of thinly veiled SaaS marketing!
metadat 4y ago
Edit: I went and read TFA, and must say there were some red flags. CS people who add "PhD" beside their name are not only pretentious, but are trying to throw their academic weight around instead of letting their ideas and presentation stand on its own. Filled with more marketing fluff than useful information. Ugh. I'm siding with you on this. I've "undowned" you and upvoted instead; Sorry xcamber! -- If you're really concerned, email dang (hn@ycombinator.com) and ask him to look into it. As a sidenote, if you actually flag out of suspicion of a voting ring or other feelings without real evidence, it is abusing the power you've been entrusted with. Threads like this one are also way off topic, seems more considerate to submit an "Ask HN" post rather than hijack the story discussion. The group dynamics are often surprising on HN.
- kzh_ 4y ago
  OP here, I only try to write and share things that I find personally interesting, so if it came across as marketing fluff that was the opposite of what I was aiming for :/. But I do appreciate you reading the whole thing. FWIW I also thought including PhD might be pretentious.
  - ctxc 4y ago
    Hi OP! It would be nice to have some examples to go with the article. Some set of minimum data and sample "lineage" etc. This has broadened my perception of data though, I never linked this with the good old thermodynamic principles.
    - kzh_ 4y ago
      Thanks for reading! Including examples is a great point, because otherwise the article can be kind of abstract, especially because each person has a different mental model of data. I'll add some later on. Maybe thermodynamics is a hammer that makes all things seem like nails, but the connections pop up all over the place. Entropy is another highly applicable concept to data systems.
  - Archelaos 4y ago
    I would say inlcuding CEO is far more pretentious. A PhD at least means something more substantial, because it requires an external certification.
ctxc 4y ago
Fair point. Although I must admit it affects (people like?) me directly - I make it a point to always go through the comments before I read the article as a matter of habit.
kzh_ 4y ago
OP here, I posted this a few days ago and was surprised to see it on the front page this morning. Not sure why it says I submitted 4 hours ago when I wasn’t awake, maybe the second-chance pool (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308)? But I’m also generally skeptical of high upvote/comment ratios, because as a long-time HNer too I also want to read things that are genuinely interesting. In this case, I can promise you neither I nor anyone on the team is soliciting upvotes for this post. On that note, if anyone has any comments about the content itself, happy to discuss further.
- xcambar 4y ago
  Thanks for commenting constructively. As you have umderstood, my intention was never to point fingers at you or your article, but rather use it as a suitable context to confront with the HN crowd. Thanks for having seen this from the start :)
vbezhenar 4y ago
My guess is that people are interested with this topic and want to read discussions from other people, but don't really have anything to add right now. Sometimes I upvote topics using those thoughts.
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
I often upvote articles because I have a passing interest in the topic and want to see the content/author get intellectually flogged by HN users.

rubiquity 4y ago

You could try reading the article and commenting with your own original thoughts.

xcambar 4y ago
What makes you assume I did not read? How shocking is it that, on some article and topic, I do not have a comment I deem interesting enough to share? Besides, if you do not appreciate my specificly off-topic contribution, then so be it.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- xiande04 4y ago
  > What makes you assume I did not read? OP didn't say you didn't read it. They said that you didn't read it AND attempt to start a meaningful discussion about it, which exactly what you were complaining about, right?
  - xcambar 4y ago
    If you mean meaningful with regards to the topic, I'd agree with you and knew it from the start, hence the "off-topic" warning. My intention was to confront my experience and behavior (towards certain categories of posts of high upvotes/comment ratio) with the rest of the HN crowd, in a contextualized environment where it applies. I'm sorry that the conversation now revolves around my own comment. Kinda ironic.
kordlessagain 4y ago
All you need are logs. Also, https://honeycomb.io https://honeycomb.io looks pretty dope.
- metadat 4y ago
  The honeycomb-dot-io case was bad, I attended their conference once and it was like I'd been suckered into a neverending timeshare sales tour. Thankfully I haven't noticed the domain on the frontpage lately. Compare: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=honeycomb.io https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=honeycomb.io https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=metaplane.dev https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=metaplane.dev Both look like they want to game HN pretty hard. If only they'd publish actual novel or interesting information instead of thinly veiled SaaS marketing!

metadat 4y ago

Edit: I went and read TFA, and must say there were some red flags. CS people who add "PhD" beside their name are not only pretentious, but are trying to throw their academic weight around instead of letting their ideas and presentation stand on its own. Filled with more marketing fluff than useful information. Ugh. I'm siding with you on this. I've "undowned" you and upvoted instead; Sorry xcamber! -- If you're really concerned, email dang (hn@ycombinator.com) and ask him to look into it. As a sidenote, if you actually flag out of suspicion of a voting ring or other feelings without real evidence, it is abusing the power you've been entrusted with. Threads like this one are also way off topic, seems more considerate to submit an "Ask HN" post rather than hijack the story discussion. The group dynamics are often surprising on HN.

kzh_ 4y ago
OP here, I only try to write and share things that I find personally interesting, so if it came across as marketing fluff that was the opposite of what I was aiming for :/. But I do appreciate you reading the whole thing. FWIW I also thought including PhD might be pretentious.
- ctxc 4y ago
  Hi OP! It would be nice to have some examples to go with the article. Some set of minimum data and sample "lineage" etc. This has broadened my perception of data though, I never linked this with the good old thermodynamic principles.
  - kzh_ 4y ago
    Thanks for reading! Including examples is a great point, because otherwise the article can be kind of abstract, especially because each person has a different mental model of data. I'll add some later on. Maybe thermodynamics is a hammer that makes all things seem like nails, but the connections pop up all over the place. Entropy is another highly applicable concept to data systems.
- Archelaos 4y ago
  I would say inlcuding CEO is far more pretentious. A PhD at least means something more substantial, because it requires an external certification.

ctxc 4y ago

Fair point. Although I must admit it affects (people like?) me directly - I make it a point to always go through the comments before I read the article as a matter of habit.

kzh_ 4y ago

OP here, I posted this a few days ago and was surprised to see it on the front page this morning. Not sure why it says I submitted 4 hours ago when I wasn’t awake, maybe the second-chance pool (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308)? But I’m also generally skeptical of high upvote/comment ratios, because as a long-time HNer too I also want to read things that are genuinely interesting. In this case, I can promise you neither I nor anyone on the team is soliciting upvotes for this post. On that note, if anyone has any comments about the content itself, happy to discuss further.

xcambar 4y ago
Thanks for commenting constructively. As you have umderstood, my intention was never to point fingers at you or your article, but rather use it as a suitable context to confront with the HN crowd. Thanks for having seen this from the start :)

vbezhenar 4y ago

My guess is that people are interested with this topic and want to read discussions from other people, but don't really have anything to add right now. Sometimes I upvote topics using those thoughts.

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago

I often upvote articles because I have a passing interest in the topic and want to see the content/author get intellectually flogged by HN users.