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If switching from beef to chicken is an option, and switching from beef to lentils is an option, and you say that switching from beef to chickens is the best op

If switching from beef to chicken is an option, and switching from beef to lentils is an option, and you say that switching from beef to chickens is the best option then you are indeed implying that switching from beef to chicken is better than switching from beef to lentils. You need not explicitly state exactly that; it logically follows from what you said. Also you refute the general scientific consensus among all major nutrition and dietetic institutions worldwide that animal products are not required to be healthy at any stage of life by saying “that’s probably not true”. You’ve got to admit how silly that is, right? Unless the “at the margin” part of what you said means something I don’t understand?

trention 4y ago
>the general scientific consensus I would advise you to read up on the history of the advice ADA has been giving throughout the years (spoiler alert: they were wrong about fats and complex carbohydrates) before putting your money in that basket that this is the "general scientific consensus". But this is a topic I don't want (or need) to argue about.
- kcplate 4y ago
  Exactly. “A low fat diet including fruits, pasta, and cereals, supplemented with copious amounts of extraneous insulin.”
  - sweetheart 4y ago
    But even if we concede that the ADA is entirely untrustworthy, they are only one of many nutrition and dietetic institutions who have officially stated the same thing. That’s why it’s the general consensus, not just the theories of the ADA
    - kcplate 4y ago
      The point is that it’s wrong, particularly for type 2 diabetics, and not just a little wrong, it’s dangerously wrong for type 2 diabetics to eat the way the organization that the medical establishment was relying on for providing sound diabetes advice was actually distributing dangerous advice. The general consensus for years relied on an assumption and confirmation bias driven by marketing rather than any actual science.
      - sweetheart 4y ago
        The claim I made wasn’t about saying what everyone needs to eat, though, so your point doesn’t make sense in the context of the discussion. The point that I was making is that these dietetic institutions state that animal products aren’t necessary. Not that diabetics are required to eat things that risk their lives… If you believe that diabetics cannot be vegan, then that’s a separate and equally untrue argument.
        kcplate 4y ago
        > If you believe that diabetics cannot be vegan, then that’s a separate and equally untrue argument. Where did I say that? I didn’t. I was referring specifically to the ADA incorrect suggestion for decades that high carbohydrate foods are ok and encouraged for type 2 diabetics. I did not make a meat vs non-meat absolutist statement. It was more a high carb vs low carb absolutist statement. If you are a vegan T2 diabetic who only eats avocados, cabbage, broccoli, and olives…good for you. My comments were actually specific the commenter who expressed concern about relying on “general consensus” as an argument for reliability of dietary advice and used the ADA example. I backed them up and it’s completely appropriate to this little thread in the discussion.
- sweetheart 4y ago
  Well I hope you find it within yourself to consider the arguments you and I have both made and continue your research. I can’t recommend those Kurzgesagt videos enough. They are chock full of peer reviewed research!

trention 4y ago

>the general scientific consensus I would advise you to read up on the history of the advice ADA has been giving throughout the years (spoiler alert: they were wrong about fats and complex carbohydrates) before putting your money in that basket that this is the "general scientific consensus". But this is a topic I don't want (or need) to argue about.

kcplate 4y ago
Exactly. “A low fat diet including fruits, pasta, and cereals, supplemented with copious amounts of extraneous insulin.”
- sweetheart 4y ago
  But even if we concede that the ADA is entirely untrustworthy, they are only one of many nutrition and dietetic institutions who have officially stated the same thing. That’s why it’s the general consensus, not just the theories of the ADA
  - kcplate 4y ago
    The point is that it’s wrong, particularly for type 2 diabetics, and not just a little wrong, it’s dangerously wrong for type 2 diabetics to eat the way the organization that the medical establishment was relying on for providing sound diabetes advice was actually distributing dangerous advice. The general consensus for years relied on an assumption and confirmation bias driven by marketing rather than any actual science.
    - sweetheart 4y ago
      The claim I made wasn’t about saying what everyone needs to eat, though, so your point doesn’t make sense in the context of the discussion. The point that I was making is that these dietetic institutions state that animal products aren’t necessary. Not that diabetics are required to eat things that risk their lives… If you believe that diabetics cannot be vegan, then that’s a separate and equally untrue argument.
      - kcplate 4y ago
        > If you believe that diabetics cannot be vegan, then that’s a separate and equally untrue argument. Where did I say that? I didn’t. I was referring specifically to the ADA incorrect suggestion for decades that high carbohydrate foods are ok and encouraged for type 2 diabetics. I did not make a meat vs non-meat absolutist statement. It was more a high carb vs low carb absolutist statement. If you are a vegan T2 diabetic who only eats avocados, cabbage, broccoli, and olives…good for you. My comments were actually specific the commenter who expressed concern about relying on “general consensus” as an argument for reliability of dietary advice and used the ADA example. I backed them up and it’s completely appropriate to this little thread in the discussion.
sweetheart 4y ago
Well I hope you find it within yourself to consider the arguments you and I have both made and continue your research. I can’t recommend those Kurzgesagt videos enough. They are chock full of peer reviewed research!