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It's relevant to cars, computers, kitchen appliances, most other electronics in houses from TVs to clocks to washing machines. Right to repair and android manu

It's relevant to cars, computers, kitchen appliances, most other electronics in houses from TVs to clocks to washing machines. Right to repair and android manufacturers being shit are 2 separate issues. And fixing one of those issues is worth it on its own. This would be a win even if they excluded smartphones completely. Not sure what your problem is exactly. You are all ower this thread arguing with everyone. But other the smartphones not being updated, which doe not have much to do with right to repair in first place, you haven't really said really made any argument.

scarface74 4y ago
And there are a lot more people who own phones than cars or washing machines. How many washing machines does the average family have compared to phones? What good is the “right to repair” the most ubiquitous device people own if it isn’t getting security updates? I don’t have to worry about my kitchen devices being secure and most of them cost less than $100. There has never been an issue with refrigerators or washers being relatively easy to repair or even TVs for that matter. My 65 inch TV costs less than my phone. None of the other devices you mention have parts that always wear out like smartphone batteries. Phones are essential in even third world countries. None of the other things you are mentioning are. It’s the typical EU lawmakers who passed a 11 chapter 99 section law that made the web worse with nothing more to show for it but cookie pop up banners.
- unionpivo 4y ago
  TLDR: Right to repair is important for more than just for smartphones. And is important for smartphones too. What good are security updates for old phones if they have busted screen or battery that wont charge anymore. > And there are a lot more people who own phones than cars or washing machines. So what, doesn't mean it's still not relevant. Cars being the big issue, where repairs often cost more than most phones. > How many washing machines does the average family have compared to phones? Again so what, it's still an issue. And if you count dishwashers, microwaves refrigerators, coffeemakers, toasters, ovens, tv's, radios etc. Average family has more of them than phones and they combined, often cost more than phones. Remember majority of people don't own flagships but cheap phones. > What good is the “right to repair” the most ubiquitous device people own if it isn’t getting security updates? What good are security updates for old phones if they have busted screens or battery that wont charge anymore. Besides Right to repair would be worth it even if it explicitly left of smartphones. But it doesn't. > There has never been an issue with refrigerators or washers being relatively easy to repair or even TVs for that matter. That is changing. Even Mile appliances that cost a lot more than 100 bucks are hard to repair and often have to replace. > My 65 inch TV costs less than my phone. Majority of people in my country have phones that cost less than 200 EUR. Most decent TV's cost more than that. > None of the other devices you mention have parts that always wear out like smartphone batteries. Pretty much everything except TV's have parts that wears out, even if it's just the hinges and seals. but the thing that most often craps out is electronics. Source my brother works for Mile distributer in our country. > Phones are essential in even third world countries. None of the other things you are mentioning are. People in 3rd world countries rely on cooking much more than people in developed countries. And you can always buy cheap feature phones, that last almost forever and can change batteries and have small attack surface. > It’s the typical EU They are at leas doing something. Unlike American lawmakers that just lube their assholes and bend over to the corporations.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You can get a battery replaced for any phone relatively cheaply as well as screens.

scarface74 4y ago

And there are a lot more people who own phones than cars or washing machines. How many washing machines does the average family have compared to phones? What good is the “right to repair” the most ubiquitous device people own if it isn’t getting security updates? I don’t have to worry about my kitchen devices being secure and most of them cost less than $100. There has never been an issue with refrigerators or washers being relatively easy to repair or even TVs for that matter. My 65 inch TV costs less than my phone. None of the other devices you mention have parts that always wear out like smartphone batteries. Phones are essential in even third world countries. None of the other things you are mentioning are. It’s the typical EU lawmakers who passed a 11 chapter 99 section law that made the web worse with nothing more to show for it but cookie pop up banners.

unionpivo 4y ago
TLDR: Right to repair is important for more than just for smartphones. And is important for smartphones too. What good are security updates for old phones if they have busted screen or battery that wont charge anymore. > And there are a lot more people who own phones than cars or washing machines. So what, doesn't mean it's still not relevant. Cars being the big issue, where repairs often cost more than most phones. > How many washing machines does the average family have compared to phones? Again so what, it's still an issue. And if you count dishwashers, microwaves refrigerators, coffeemakers, toasters, ovens, tv's, radios etc. Average family has more of them than phones and they combined, often cost more than phones. Remember majority of people don't own flagships but cheap phones. > What good is the “right to repair” the most ubiquitous device people own if it isn’t getting security updates? What good are security updates for old phones if they have busted screens or battery that wont charge anymore. Besides Right to repair would be worth it even if it explicitly left of smartphones. But it doesn't. > There has never been an issue with refrigerators or washers being relatively easy to repair or even TVs for that matter. That is changing. Even Mile appliances that cost a lot more than 100 bucks are hard to repair and often have to replace. > My 65 inch TV costs less than my phone. Majority of people in my country have phones that cost less than 200 EUR. Most decent TV's cost more than that. > None of the other devices you mention have parts that always wear out like smartphone batteries. Pretty much everything except TV's have parts that wears out, even if it's just the hinges and seals. but the thing that most often craps out is electronics. Source my brother works for Mile distributer in our country. > Phones are essential in even third world countries. None of the other things you are mentioning are. People in 3rd world countries rely on cooking much more than people in developed countries. And you can always buy cheap feature phones, that last almost forever and can change batteries and have small attack surface. > It’s the typical EU They are at leas doing something. Unlike American lawmakers that just lube their assholes and bend over to the corporations.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You can get a battery replaced for any phone relatively cheaply as well as screens.