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I didnt realize this place was so infested with people that have swallowed the environmental catastrophe koolaid. Even if we accept the models as correct (they

I didnt realize this place was so infested with people that have swallowed the environmental catastrophe koolaid. Even if we accept the models as correct (they likely are not, but lets ignore that) the timelines to destruction are measured in centuries in all but the most insane models and pretty much all the models fail to take into account the likely topping out of population growth and beginning of.population shrinking that will almost certainly happen later this century. The faster we get to Mars (or oneill cylinders or some other viable off planet backup) the faster we can get them to self sustaining. So in the face of uncertainty it is insane to have the opinion that we shouldn't be working on offside backup because we very well could have it self sustaining before a catastrophe actually happens because we don't really know when the catastrophe will occur and our predictions are likely dramatically incorrectly biased to pessimism

mafuy 4y ago
> Even if we accept the models as correct They were not correct. They were overly optimistic.
- origin_path 4y ago
  Models vs observed temperatures from satellites: http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-90-models-global-Tsfc-vs-obs-thru-2013.png http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-90-mode... It says the opposite. How do you explain that?
  - snapplebobapple 4y ago
    or everything in steve Koonin's book unsettled. There are real problems at the basic science level with the models and to say they are overly optimistic is just another sign of excessive koolaid consumption.
birksherty 4y ago
Opposite, most people in world are still drinking the overpopulation koolaid given by the privileged and corporations. Who wants more people only to buy their products and keep the quarterly growth moving up and for cheap labour exploit.
- snapplebobapple 4y ago
  There's enough koolaid for everybody apparently. It's going to be weird if any of these guys live to 2100 while avoiding senility and see the actual concern of the day is not enough co2 in the atmosphere because the tectonic shift in attitudes towards nuclear caused by the Ukraine invasion gets the regulators of that industry to be more reasonable, causing a flourishing of that industry and the accompanying massive drop in fossil fuel usage without the drop in living standard the crazy stuff being proposed today will cause.

mafuy 4y ago

> Even if we accept the models as correct They were not correct. They were overly optimistic.

origin_path 4y ago
Models vs observed temperatures from satellites: http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-90-models-global-Tsfc-vs-obs-thru-2013.png http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-90-mode... It says the opposite. How do you explain that?
- snapplebobapple 4y ago
  or everything in steve Koonin's book unsettled. There are real problems at the basic science level with the models and to say they are overly optimistic is just another sign of excessive koolaid consumption.

birksherty 4y ago

Opposite, most people in world are still drinking the overpopulation koolaid given by the privileged and corporations. Who wants more people only to buy their products and keep the quarterly growth moving up and for cheap labour exploit.

snapplebobapple 4y ago
There's enough koolaid for everybody apparently. It's going to be weird if any of these guys live to 2100 while avoiding senility and see the actual concern of the day is not enough co2 in the atmosphere because the tectonic shift in attitudes towards nuclear caused by the Ukraine invasion gets the regulators of that industry to be more reasonable, causing a flourishing of that industry and the accompanying massive drop in fossil fuel usage without the drop in living standard the crazy stuff being proposed today will cause.