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I have brought scientific arguments, you have brought conspiration theories. You are constantly misrepresenting what I wrote, so I hope everyone can figure out

by _ph_ 4y ago

I have brought scientific arguments, you have brought conspiration theories. You are constantly misrepresenting what I wrote, so I hope everyone can figure out about you.

verisimi 4y ago
I'm saying that you are missing a major part of the discussion if you don't think about why and how science, politics and education play a role in why we do what we do. I'm not challenging your science arguments. I've only given examples to show how it is possible that science serves a governance agenda. That you don't think this is possible and can't apparently conceive of the idea or meaningfully engage with it, may tell people about you. Science is not sacrosanct. Applying the scientific method personally, verifying its claims is a highly worthwhile activity. Believing what you are told, not so much. And, what I've raised are not conspiracy theories. These are facts, but no, the media will not publicise the plans of the club of Rome (that created the idea of a climate change threat in order to mobilise the world against a perceived common enemy), the WEF, the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, UN, etc. These are powerful, unelected, corporate-funded, NGO-funded, governance institutions and thinktanks, that are planning our future. And the future is technocratic governance. Science will do what is needed in support. PS some club of Rome quotes: "The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself." Alexander King Co-Founder of the Club of Rome, (premier environmental think-tank and consultants to the United Nations) from his 1991 book The First Global Revolution "We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Biology and Global Change. Professor Schneider was among the earliest and most vocal proponents of man-made global warming and a lead author of many IPCC reports. He is a member of the Club of Rome. "We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation and member of the Club of Rome. "The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." Maurice Strong, Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Al Gore's mentor and executive member of the Club of Rome. "I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience." Al Gore, member of the Club of Rome and set to become the world's first carbon billionaire. He is also the largest shareholder of Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), which looks set to become the world's central carbon trading body.

by _ph_ 4y ago

I have brought scientific arguments, you have brought conspiration theories. You are constantly misrepresenting what I wrote, so I hope everyone can figure out about you.

verisimi 4y ago

I'm saying that you are missing a major part of the discussion if you don't think about why and how science, politics and education play a role in why we do what we do. I'm not challenging your science arguments. I've only given examples to show how it is possible that science serves a governance agenda. That you don't think this is possible and can't apparently conceive of the idea or meaningfully engage with it, may tell people about you. Science is not sacrosanct. Applying the scientific method personally, verifying its claims is a highly worthwhile activity. Believing what you are told, not so much. And, what I've raised are not conspiracy theories. These are facts, but no, the media will not publicise the plans of the club of Rome (that created the idea of a climate change threat in order to mobilise the world against a perceived common enemy), the WEF, the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, UN, etc. These are powerful, unelected, corporate-funded, NGO-funded, governance institutions and thinktanks, that are planning our future. And the future is technocratic governance. Science will do what is needed in support. PS some club of Rome quotes: "The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself." Alexander King Co-Founder of the Club of Rome, (premier environmental think-tank and consultants to the United Nations) from his 1991 book The First Global Revolution "We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Biology and Global Change. Professor Schneider was among the earliest and most vocal proponents of man-made global warming and a lead author of many IPCC reports. He is a member of the Club of Rome. "We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation and member of the Club of Rome. "The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." Maurice Strong, Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), Al Gore's mentor and executive member of the Club of Rome. "I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience." Al Gore, member of the Club of Rome and set to become the world's first carbon billionaire. He is also the largest shareholder of Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), which looks set to become the world's central carbon trading body.