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Honestly, the climate deniers have got their wish. What's with this dogmatic bullshit? Do I have to dance to your tune if I do not want to be called a heretic?

Honestly, the climate deniers have got their wish. What's with this dogmatic bullshit? Do I have to dance to your tune if I do not want to be called a heretic? I care about climate change and I will continue eating meat. My carbon footprint is probably still lower than yours.

tcfhgj 4y ago
Either you don't really care, or cognitive dissonance will catch up with you sooner or later
- goethes_kind 4y ago
  Is your AC on right now?
  - tcfhgj 4y ago
    I don't even have something like that installed. It's obvious what you are trying to do: Make other people seem worse than you are such that you still have your excuse for meat consumption. And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals I don't know where you live, but here you don't need to starve without meat even if you don't cook for yourself at all.
    - goethes_kind 4y ago
      Well you are completely wrong. Meat consumption is a very crucial part of my life and I am not willing compromise on that. The decrease in quality of life is just not worth it for me.
      - tcfhgj 4y ago
        I see that you aren't. Too bad we all have to pay for peoples irrational life style choices whose quality of life seems to be determined by meat consumption. Here, we have a butcher that went vegan years ago - and now creates vegan alternatives to offer in his shop
        goethes_kind 4y ago
        First of all it is really arrogant of you to presume these are "irrational life style choices". Who are you to tell me what I should put inside my body, and what is best for me? I deliberated talking about my reasons, mostly health related, but then I decided against it because I do not want to hear from a stranger what actually works well for me as a diet, as if I am not the one living with my own body. That is none of your business. And for your information, I am also no Texas American on a cattle ranch eating beef steak for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Secondly the whole of consumerist culture is "irrational lifestyle choices". This stupid line in the sand drawn arbitrarily around meat consumption is just self serving bullshit. It is very convenient how others are the ones who have to do the sacrifice and others are always at fault, isn't it? As I said already I bet my carbon footprint is still lower than yours. I am in general fed up of close minded people like you. You cannot understand why other people live their life another way, so you decide they are stupid to do so, and you know better how they should instead live their life? Can you be any more arrogant than that? If you were intellectually honest and really cared about environmental effects there could be many ways forward. For example as another poster has mentioned, not all meat has the same carbon footprint. And there are ways of farming/ranching that might even be carbon positive. Say goats/sheep in the highlands are more adding to the ecosystem than taking away. No veggies are going to be grown up there anyway. And in general I do agree with lowering meat consumption intake in cases were it is excessive. But instead you went with the dogmatic bullshit approach typical of people who think they are doing something by being annoying pricks in the faces of other people. The whole enviromentalist movement will always remain sidelined because you seek to force people to adopt your lifestyle, rather than trying to find common ground and make progress.
        tcfhgj 4y ago
        > And there are ways of farming/ranching that might even be carbon positive People post lots of BS when they have time > That is none of your business. It is since meat consumption largely affects the life of other people, some by death.
        kcplate 4y ago
    - kcplate 4y ago
      Not to wade into a debate here… > And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals I am 90% carnivore for a specifically health reason, it allows me to manage diabetes without extraneous insulin. So yes, eliminating meat would dramatically impact my life. Most non-meat foodstuffs whether processed or whole cannot provide to me the lack of impact to my blood glucose that meat does. Also, I slept with the AC on last night.

tcfhgj 4y ago

Either you don't really care, or cognitive dissonance will catch up with you sooner or later

goethes_kind 4y ago
Is your AC on right now?
- tcfhgj 4y ago
  I don't even have something like that installed. It's obvious what you are trying to do: Make other people seem worse than you are such that you still have your excuse for meat consumption. And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals I don't know where you live, but here you don't need to starve without meat even if you don't cook for yourself at all.
  - goethes_kind 4y ago
    Well you are completely wrong. Meat consumption is a very crucial part of my life and I am not willing compromise on that. The decrease in quality of life is just not worth it for me.
    - tcfhgj 4y ago
      I see that you aren't. Too bad we all have to pay for peoples irrational life style choices whose quality of life seems to be determined by meat consumption. Here, we have a butcher that went vegan years ago - and now creates vegan alternatives to offer in his shop
      - goethes_kind 4y ago
        First of all it is really arrogant of you to presume these are "irrational life style choices". Who are you to tell me what I should put inside my body, and what is best for me? I deliberated talking about my reasons, mostly health related, but then I decided against it because I do not want to hear from a stranger what actually works well for me as a diet, as if I am not the one living with my own body. That is none of your business. And for your information, I am also no Texas American on a cattle ranch eating beef steak for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Secondly the whole of consumerist culture is "irrational lifestyle choices". This stupid line in the sand drawn arbitrarily around meat consumption is just self serving bullshit. It is very convenient how others are the ones who have to do the sacrifice and others are always at fault, isn't it? As I said already I bet my carbon footprint is still lower than yours. I am in general fed up of close minded people like you. You cannot understand why other people live their life another way, so you decide they are stupid to do so, and you know better how they should instead live their life? Can you be any more arrogant than that? If you were intellectually honest and really cared about environmental effects there could be many ways forward. For example as another poster has mentioned, not all meat has the same carbon footprint. And there are ways of farming/ranching that might even be carbon positive. Say goats/sheep in the highlands are more adding to the ecosystem than taking away. No veggies are going to be grown up there anyway. And in general I do agree with lowering meat consumption intake in cases were it is excessive. But instead you went with the dogmatic bullshit approach typical of people who think they are doing something by being annoying pricks in the faces of other people. The whole enviromentalist movement will always remain sidelined because you seek to force people to adopt your lifestyle, rather than trying to find common ground and make progress.
        tcfhgj 4y ago
        > And there are ways of farming/ranching that might even be carbon positive People post lots of BS when they have time > That is none of your business. It is since meat consumption largely affects the life of other people, some by death.
        kcplate 4y ago
  - kcplate 4y ago
    Not to wade into a debate here… > And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals I am 90% carnivore for a specifically health reason, it allows me to manage diabetes without extraneous insulin. So yes, eliminating meat would dramatically impact my life. Most non-meat foodstuffs whether processed or whole cannot provide to me the lack of impact to my blood glucose that meat does. Also, I slept with the AC on last night.