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Speed isn't really the biggest factor for most of my node usage, though. Of course, if it's a drop-in replacement one might switch. An aside, but as a non-nati

Speed isn't really the biggest factor for most of my node usage, though. Of course, if it's a drop-in replacement one might switch. An aside, but as a non-native speaker and haven't heard of Bun before, an all-capitalized title is very confusing. "Who is Will Bun"?

papito 4y ago
Speed nowadays is almost an anti-goal. People choose the "fastest" language or framework, then add a bunch of lazy ORM queries without really knowing how to properly leverage a performant database, stitch together a bunch of "microservices", adding multiple HTTP trips across the wire, and by that time the performance of the core language is a rounding error.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  To note, nowadays node is not just for production runtime. Anything related to tooling (compilation/check/bundling etc.) for instance will benefit from faster runtimes. Also, having a slower runtime only marginally push people to code more efficiently (e.g. people wanting to use an ORM will do so either way)
- lpapez 4y ago
  I got a PHP gig recently (after working as a Go developer for some time), and this rings very true to me. In PHP you often have to make the most of your database, and this tends to result in a far more enjoyable codebase experience.
- nickserv 4y ago
  Sure, until you're stuck on some inner loop with a poorly performing language. Of course,if you're doing microservices correctly, it should be easy to separate the parts where performance is important and write them in a language optimized for that.
  - papito 4y ago
    That is almost never used correctly. I have not seen it, for one. If it's crazy math calculations, file processing, image processing - sure, but that's not how microservices are used in 99% of the cases. It's basically an anti-pattern.
- crabmusket 4y ago
  Are you saying that performance can't be outsourced?
jraph 4y ago
Yes, I had to backtrack while parsing this sentence. Not all-capitalized would not have helped, "will" is still the first word, so would get capitalized regardless, and Bun is a proper name that would also get capitalized. It doesn't help that "bun" is a kind of bread, and is also part of the name of the "bo bun" dish. An "?" at the end would have helped a lot though.
AlfeG 4y ago
For me speed issue is totally solved by Vite. Moved whole project to it including old legacy scripts.

papito 4y ago

Speed nowadays is almost an anti-goal. People choose the "fastest" language or framework, then add a bunch of lazy ORM queries without really knowing how to properly leverage a performant database, stitch together a bunch of "microservices", adding multiple HTTP trips across the wire, and by that time the performance of the core language is a rounding error.

makeitdouble 4y ago
To note, nowadays node is not just for production runtime. Anything related to tooling (compilation/check/bundling etc.) for instance will benefit from faster runtimes. Also, having a slower runtime only marginally push people to code more efficiently (e.g. people wanting to use an ORM will do so either way)
lpapez 4y ago
I got a PHP gig recently (after working as a Go developer for some time), and this rings very true to me. In PHP you often have to make the most of your database, and this tends to result in a far more enjoyable codebase experience.
nickserv 4y ago
Sure, until you're stuck on some inner loop with a poorly performing language. Of course,if you're doing microservices correctly, it should be easy to separate the parts where performance is important and write them in a language optimized for that.
- papito 4y ago
  That is almost never used correctly. I have not seen it, for one. If it's crazy math calculations, file processing, image processing - sure, but that's not how microservices are used in 99% of the cases. It's basically an anti-pattern.
crabmusket 4y ago
Are you saying that performance can't be outsourced?

jraph 4y ago

Yes, I had to backtrack while parsing this sentence. Not all-capitalized would not have helped, "will" is still the first word, so would get capitalized regardless, and Bun is a proper name that would also get capitalized. It doesn't help that "bun" is a kind of bread, and is also part of the name of the "bo bun" dish. An "?" at the end would have helped a lot though.

AlfeG 4y ago

For me speed issue is totally solved by Vite. Moved whole project to it including old legacy scripts.