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"Meatless meat". That doesn't make any sense. I enjoy quality meat. I'm all for consuming much less meat. In fact, that's already what I do day to day. I enjoy

"Meatless meat". That doesn't make any sense. I enjoy quality meat. I'm all for consuming much less meat. In fact, that's already what I do day to day. I enjoy vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, cereals, everything. I can have delicious meals without meat, no need to disguise these as meat, they're fine as-is. And maybe once a week I'll have a delicious piece of cow from my local butcher. But eating some fake industrially processed junk ? No, thanks, not even once.

pelagicAustral 4y ago
I feel the same about these products, if I slice a steak that’s what I’m getting. A one ingredient meal. These products have a different vibe, a lab-like vibe. I do enjoy other vegan products like bean-based burgers and the like. In fact I like those a lot.
frankzander 4y ago
Maybe you should see this from a marketing POV. If you want to sell "Proteins easy to fry" you will probably fail. But if you sell "Vegan Steak" with the texture and like taste of a steak out of meat, you will have your customers. So the alternatives have no established name and naming it "meat" will make sense. And yes ... it's processed and no I think it's not healthy for day to day consumption (like coke) but once a week or month ... why not? Smoking (even passive) so most probably more dangerous ;)
- JodieBenitez 4y ago
  Why not ? There are certainly a lot of reasons. But I'd like to pin this as a missed opportunity. Missed opportunity to educate taste, missed opportunity to have more "agro" and less "industry", missed opportunity to consume locally, missed opportunity to discover new varieties and so on...
wortelefant 4y ago
the "meat" in "meatless meat" describes a texture and taste profile, not an ingredient. It is easier to communicate than, say, "chewy but soft, fibrous proteins which taste is usually determined by umami and maillard reaction flavors". There is a large community around new recipes for this taste profile, e.g. https://seitansociety.com/ https://seitansociety.com/ . compared to the logistics (animal farming and slaughter pipelines), artificial inseminations, medical interventions (antibiotics), storage and food safety concerns around meat, plus the incredible daily amount of animal suffering caused by this consumption, I don't see meat as a "natural" product. all the steps in the "production" process can introduce factors that can degrade the quality and be risky to health (e.g. not cooled at appropriate temperature, antibiotics treatments to animals etc), while with plant proteins, you have far less processing steps between field and table. to vegans and people concerned with reducing global warming, the benefits outweigh the different composition by far.
- zemvpferreira 4y ago
  Comparing the best-grown plant protein with the worst-grown animal protein is a bit disingenuous. I can easily source you an animal carcasse that was 100% pasture-grown and pasture-fed where I know everyone involved in its supply chain, from insemination to distribution. Moreover, that same animal will have been net-positive to its ecossystem through foraging etc etc. It won't be cheap, but health-positive and planet-positive meat exists.
  - tcfhgj 4y ago
    What is health and planet positive based on? Compare the best meat against the worst plant based food and its still plant based>meat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs
  - wortelefant 4y ago
    this hypothetical best case is an exception to the reality of factory farming and animal "products" included in most dishes ("1% milk powder"). And in even then it would still include animal suffering. For those not too set on their habits, considering the arguments in https://veganspeak.info/ https://veganspeak.info/ (e.g. #29) might be inspiring. It is a personal decision in the end, our society allows for mass-producing and killing living beings despite better alternatives. As with other personal choices that are harmful and arbitraty, this is not something I see as worthy of further appreciation, or beneficial for further discussion.
virgildotcodes 4y ago
It makes sense for those whose primary motivation for seeking out these products isn’t personal health, but ethical or environmental concerns.

pelagicAustral 4y ago

I feel the same about these products, if I slice a steak that’s what I’m getting. A one ingredient meal. These products have a different vibe, a lab-like vibe. I do enjoy other vegan products like bean-based burgers and the like. In fact I like those a lot.

frankzander 4y ago

Maybe you should see this from a marketing POV. If you want to sell "Proteins easy to fry" you will probably fail. But if you sell "Vegan Steak" with the texture and like taste of a steak out of meat, you will have your customers. So the alternatives have no established name and naming it "meat" will make sense. And yes ... it's processed and no I think it's not healthy for day to day consumption (like coke) but once a week or month ... why not? Smoking (even passive) so most probably more dangerous ;)

JodieBenitez 4y ago
Why not ? There are certainly a lot of reasons. But I'd like to pin this as a missed opportunity. Missed opportunity to educate taste, missed opportunity to have more "agro" and less "industry", missed opportunity to consume locally, missed opportunity to discover new varieties and so on...

wortelefant 4y ago

the "meat" in "meatless meat" describes a texture and taste profile, not an ingredient. It is easier to communicate than, say, "chewy but soft, fibrous proteins which taste is usually determined by umami and maillard reaction flavors". There is a large community around new recipes for this taste profile, e.g. https://seitansociety.com/ https://seitansociety.com/ . compared to the logistics (animal farming and slaughter pipelines), artificial inseminations, medical interventions (antibiotics), storage and food safety concerns around meat, plus the incredible daily amount of animal suffering caused by this consumption, I don't see meat as a "natural" product. all the steps in the "production" process can introduce factors that can degrade the quality and be risky to health (e.g. not cooled at appropriate temperature, antibiotics treatments to animals etc), while with plant proteins, you have far less processing steps between field and table. to vegans and people concerned with reducing global warming, the benefits outweigh the different composition by far.

zemvpferreira 4y ago
Comparing the best-grown plant protein with the worst-grown animal protein is a bit disingenuous. I can easily source you an animal carcasse that was 100% pasture-grown and pasture-fed where I know everyone involved in its supply chain, from insemination to distribution. Moreover, that same animal will have been net-positive to its ecossystem through foraging etc etc. It won't be cheap, but health-positive and planet-positive meat exists.
- tcfhgj 4y ago
  What is health and planet positive based on? Compare the best meat against the worst plant based food and its still plant based>meat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs
- wortelefant 4y ago
  this hypothetical best case is an exception to the reality of factory farming and animal "products" included in most dishes ("1% milk powder"). And in even then it would still include animal suffering. For those not too set on their habits, considering the arguments in https://veganspeak.info/ https://veganspeak.info/ (e.g. #29) might be inspiring. It is a personal decision in the end, our society allows for mass-producing and killing living beings despite better alternatives. As with other personal choices that are harmful and arbitraty, this is not something I see as worthy of further appreciation, or beneficial for further discussion.

virgildotcodes 4y ago

It makes sense for those whose primary motivation for seeking out these products isn’t personal health, but ethical or environmental concerns.