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But various ecological crisis are becoming more and more obvious to everyone. Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate

• trention 4y ago
  >Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another. I "care about the environment" and I will not "go meatless". I have stopped eating beef entirely and have switched to chicken and fish, with the occasional pork steak. 1 pound of beef has the carbon footprint of ~8 pounds of chicken. Especially in the States, the best thing to do is switch your meats.
  • sweetheart 4y ago
    How do you arrive at the conclusion that the best thing to do in the US is switch your meats? Every form from animal protein is going to be less efficient than plant protein and result in more emissions [1]. There are some amazing Kurzgesagt videos exposing how and why that is true [2]. So since we know that eating animals is not required to be healthy at any stage of life [3] (assuming basic access to required nutrients and what not which is very easy in developed countries) how did you arrive to conclusion that eating chicken is better than eating lentils, beans, etc? I don’t think what you’re saying is based in fact. I’d love if you tried to prove me wrong though. 1. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore 2. https://youtu.be/F1Hq8eVOMHs https://youtu.be/F1Hq8eVOMHs 3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/
    • trention 4y ago
      >how did you arrive to conclusion that eating chicken is better than eating lentils, beans, etc I haven't made such a claim (here "better" would be solely in terms of emissions). What was implied was that the delta of the emissions from switching from beef to chicken/fish is (far) larger than the delta from switching from them to veganism (it's important to note that per grams of protein, dairy is comparable in emmissions to non-beef meats - so really veganism (or veganism + eggs) is required). Also, this claim "we know that eating animals is not required to be healthy at any stage of life" is most likely false at the margin.
      • sweetheart 4y ago
        If switching from beef to chicken is an option, and switching from beef to lentils is an option, and you say that switching from beef to chickens is the best option then you are indeed implying that switching from beef to chicken is better than switching from beef to lentils. You need not explicitly state exactly that; it logically follows from what you said. Also you refute the general scientific consensus among all major nutrition and dietetic institutions worldwide that animal products are not required to be healthy at any stage of life by saying “that’s probably not true”. You’ve got to admit how silly that is, right? Unless the “at the margin” part of what you said means something I don’t understand?
        • trention 4y ago
          >the general scientific consensus I would advise you to read up on the history of the advice ADA has been giving throughout the years (spoiler alert: they were wrong about fats and complex carbohydrates) before putting your money in that basket that this is the "general scientific consensus". But this is a topic I don't want (or need) to argue about.
          • kcplate 4y ago
            Exactly. “A low fat diet including fruits, pasta, and cereals, supplemented with copious amounts of extraneous insulin.”
            • sweetheart 4y ago
              But even if we concede that the ADA is entirely untrustworthy, they are only one of many nutrition and dietetic institutions who have officially stated the same thing. That’s why it’s the general consensus, not just the theories of the ADA
              • kcplate 4y ago
                The point is that it’s wrong, particularly for type 2 diabetics, and not just a little wrong, it’s dangerously wrong for type 2 diabetics to eat the way the organization that the medical establishment was relying on for providing sound diabetes advice was actually distributing dangerous advice. The general consensus for years relied on an assumption and confirmation bias driven by marketing rather than any actual science.
  • tcfhgj 4y ago
    Honestly, if you really do, I think you will sooner or later escape from such behaviour. Switching meats was my first step
• goethes_kind 4y ago
  Honestly, the climate deniers have got their wish. What's with this dogmatic bullshit? Do I have to dance to your tune if I do not want to be called a heretic? I care about climate change and I will continue eating meat. My carbon footprint is probably still lower than yours.
  • tcfhgj 4y ago
    Either you don't really care, or cognitive dissonance will catch up with you sooner or later
    • goethes_kind 4y ago
      Is your AC on right now?
      • tcfhgj 4y ago
        I don't even have something like that installed. It's obvious what you are trying to do: Make other people seem worse than you are such that you still have your excuse for meat consumption. And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals I don't know where you live, but here you don't need to starve without meat even if you don't cook for yourself at all.
        • goethes_kind 4y ago
          Well you are completely wrong. Meat consumption is a very crucial part of my life and I am not willing compromise on that. The decrease in quality of life is just not worth it for me.
          • tcfhgj 4y ago
            I see that you aren't. Too bad we all have to pay for peoples irrational life style choices whose quality of life seems to be determined by meat consumption. Here, we have a butcher that went vegan years ago - and now creates vegan alternatives to offer in his shop