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On all those areas, an EV is better. Modern ICE vehicles are hugely complex because its they only way they can meet emissions targets. EV power trains are much

On all those areas, an EV is better. Modern ICE vehicles are hugely complex because its they only way they can meet emissions targets. EV power trains are much simpler in comparison, and electronics are much more reliable. Batteries are not the issue that the naysayers say they are - lasting much longer than an ICE engine (which usually die around the 250k mile mark) , and at similar replacement cost at that point. And in the meantime you've saved hugely on servicing and maintenance costs - youd have changed the clutch and DMF at least twice by then, something that people like to leave out when they say "what about my iPhone battery, that dies in months".

artificialLimbs 4y ago
Would like to know where you get those numbers. I just changed the clutch in my 2010 Toyota Yaris at 260,000 miles and it’s the first repair I’ve ever done on the car.
- sgt101 4y ago
  You have been very lucky. Many years of buying cheap used cars taught me that clutches tend to last less than 90k miles when driven by normal people. In addition you can expect at least one of the pumps on an ICE to fail in less than 100k and there is a small risk of an electrical component like the alternator going as well.
- djaychela 4y ago
  I've owned maybe 150 cars (personal ownership plus buying and selling). 100k miles is the usual point. Ive never owned one that had made it past 150k without needing a clutch. Many much sooner (town use only cars, maybe 50k?). Dual mass flywheels are always changed at the same time due to labour costs. A friend has a 2013 T5 van that needed it doing at 50k, bill was £1300. He never loads the van up (it's a people carrier really), and has done some long road trips as well. Id suspect you do lots of highway miles with no gear changes (hence no clutch wear). Manufacturers now aim for ideal 150K life on a clutch, but that's aspirational, not the median by any means.

artificialLimbs 4y ago

Would like to know where you get those numbers. I just changed the clutch in my 2010 Toyota Yaris at 260,000 miles and it’s the first repair I’ve ever done on the car.

sgt101 4y ago
You have been very lucky. Many years of buying cheap used cars taught me that clutches tend to last less than 90k miles when driven by normal people. In addition you can expect at least one of the pumps on an ICE to fail in less than 100k and there is a small risk of an electrical component like the alternator going as well.
djaychela 4y ago
I've owned maybe 150 cars (personal ownership plus buying and selling). 100k miles is the usual point. Ive never owned one that had made it past 150k without needing a clutch. Many much sooner (town use only cars, maybe 50k?). Dual mass flywheels are always changed at the same time due to labour costs. A friend has a 2013 T5 van that needed it doing at 50k, bill was £1300. He never loads the van up (it's a people carrier really), and has done some long road trips as well. Id suspect you do lots of highway miles with no gear changes (hence no clutch wear). Manufacturers now aim for ideal 150K life on a clutch, but that's aspirational, not the median by any means.