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Gioia's point about the worship of tragic, and sometimes even pathetic figures in modern fiction is right on the mark. He brings up Walter White as one example
by Barrin92 4y ago
Gioia's point about the worship of tragic, and sometimes even pathetic figures in modern fiction is right on the mark. He brings up Walter White as one example, but what I immediately had to think of when he talked about Marvel characters was Watchmen, Alan Moore's satire of that culture. What was so striking about the movie version in particular was how many people thought Rorschach was some kind of badass anti-hero, rather than the mentally ill Randian megalomaniac that he intended him to be. People didn't even get it any more, quoting an interview he gave on the topic: (https://www.stevensurman.com/rorschach-from-alan-moores-watchmen-does-he-set-a-bad-example/ https://www.stevensurman.com/rorschach-from-alan-moores-watc...)
"So, I thought, ‘Alright, if there was a Batman in the real world, he probably would be a bit mental.’ He wouldn’t have time for a girlfriend, friends, a social life, because he’d just be driven by getting revenge against criminals… dressed up as a bat for some reason. He probably wouldn’t be very careful about his personal hygiene. He’d probably smell. He’d probably eat baked beans out of a tin. He probably wouldn’t talk to many people. His voice probably would have become weird with misuse, his phraseology would be strange. “I wanted to kind of make this like, ‘Yeah, this is what Batman would be in the real world.’ But I had forgotten that actually to a lot of comic fans that smelling, not having a girlfriend—these are actually kind of heroic. So actually, sort of, Rorschach became the most popular character in Watchmen. I meant him to be a bad example, but I have people come up to me in the street saying, ‘I am Rorschach! That is my story!’ And I’ll be thinking, ‘Yeah, great, can you just keep away from me and never come anywhere near me again for as long as I live?’”"
when I read this I noticed how much this actually sounds like WW and how unironically celebrated the character was, in contrast to his family in particular online.
- shp0ngle 4y agoI have read these quotes from Alan Moore online, but then, the actual text of the book is different. Rorschach is clearly portrayed as a hero, despite his issues and his crazy-right views. He is the one that stays to his morals and is martyred in the end. Maybe Alan did not intend to do that but the book just does that.
- true_religion 4y agoThere are two ways of looking at hero portrayal: moral uprightness and cultural form. Morally as in did the person do the right thing as per our current mores. Cultural form as in did he person have a similar form as other traditional heroes of our culture. Riding on a white horse, brandishing your national flag, acting as a lonely paragon, and saying bombastic statement are ways of going about this. Rorschach (and actually a lot of villains) fit the form of a hero. He works alone, is driven by his beliefs and is willing to sacrifice himself for his cause. The only way to separate him (and other villains) from heroes is by judgment of his actions morally. If you agree with his morals, then he’s a hero. If not, then he’s a villain with good PR. Joker funny enough has been recently portrayed as almost as an anti hero. In the latest movie, he’s delusional and violent but has a large following because he’s acting “for us”. Even when he kills an innocent TV host, he is portrayed as releasing all the stress we feel at seeing talking heads on TV jeering at people. The movie underlines that Joker is morally wrong, but nihilism is seductive and if you agree with it then Joker is a hero too.
- aqsalose 4y ago>he’s a villain with good PR In the context of Watchmen, he isn't the only character who fits the description.