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We used to call this “doing the least amount you have to do to get by”. And it is what I did in high school - kinda before I learned that having pride in what y

We used to call this “doing the least amount you have to do to get by”. And it is what I did in high school - kinda before I learned that having pride in what you do - no matter what that is - is essential to your success and happiness. I wish these folks the best in figuring that out that hard way.

charles_kaw 4y ago
The problem is that having pride in your work no longer gets you as far as it used to. Many jobs have no room for advancement, and many people are stuck in cog-like retail roles in which rising through the ranks yields an extra few dollars an hour. The people on HN are more likely to be in well-paying roles that have lots of room for advancement. >They’re disillusioned and it’s because they are better acquainted with today’s labour market than their critics. It’s not the Eighties anymore. You can’t graft your way to an ex-council house, uPVC windows, a Ford Escort and two weeks on the Costa Brava. You can’t go in at the bottom and work your way to the top. Men born in the late 1980s were at least twice as likely to begin their careers in low-paid jobs than those born in the 1970s. They have also climbed the ladder more slowly. Women born in the late Eighties started their careers at the same level of the labour market as those born in the Sixties. I do think this is bad for society, and it is bad for people; but, it's also the reality for a lot of people.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  > having pride in your work no longer gets you as far as it used to. You've already missed the point. You can have pride in your work regardless of payoff. I worked at a restaurant while in highschool and took pride in my work.
  - snapcaster 4y ago
    Doing this to enrich some other person is what many would refer to as "being a sucker"
- listless 4y ago
  That last sentence is accurate and I agree with it. I feel the malaise myself and I have a great job. I struggle to give you 100% each day. It didn’t used to be like this.
pelagicAustral 4y ago
Reminds me of Billing’s character quote on The Shield: Steve Billings : I'll be back, all right - putting in my required hours, mandatory paper work. But as far as effort goes, I don't know what's between zero and the city mandate minimum, but from now on, let's call that "the Billings".

charles_kaw 4y ago

The problem is that having pride in your work no longer gets you as far as it used to. Many jobs have no room for advancement, and many people are stuck in cog-like retail roles in which rising through the ranks yields an extra few dollars an hour. The people on HN are more likely to be in well-paying roles that have lots of room for advancement. >They’re disillusioned and it’s because they are better acquainted with today’s labour market than their critics. It’s not the Eighties anymore. You can’t graft your way to an ex-council house, uPVC windows, a Ford Escort and two weeks on the Costa Brava. You can’t go in at the bottom and work your way to the top. Men born in the late 1980s were at least twice as likely to begin their careers in low-paid jobs than those born in the 1970s. They have also climbed the ladder more slowly. Women born in the late Eighties started their careers at the same level of the labour market as those born in the Sixties. I do think this is bad for society, and it is bad for people; but, it's also the reality for a lot of people.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
> having pride in your work no longer gets you as far as it used to. You've already missed the point. You can have pride in your work regardless of payoff. I worked at a restaurant while in highschool and took pride in my work.
- snapcaster 4y ago
  Doing this to enrich some other person is what many would refer to as "being a sucker"
listless 4y ago
That last sentence is accurate and I agree with it. I feel the malaise myself and I have a great job. I struggle to give you 100% each day. It didn’t used to be like this.

pelagicAustral 4y ago

Reminds me of Billing’s character quote on The Shield: Steve Billings : I'll be back, all right - putting in my required hours, mandatory paper work. But as far as effort goes, I don't know what's between zero and the city mandate minimum, but from now on, let's call that "the Billings".