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> You can't make an argument pro or contra nuclear from this Sure you can: Germany and France are not in the same place, so the economics of getting gas from s

by T-A 4y ago

> You can't make an argument pro or contra nuclear from this Sure you can: Germany and France are not in the same place, so the economics of getting gas from source X are not the same, so when weighing gas vs nuclear they were not looking at the same options. For Germany, cheap gas meant Russian gas. If that had been ruled out on security grounds, other energy sources, including nuclear, would have been more competitive vs more expensive gas from Norway etc. > Note also, Germany gets about 32% of its gas from Russia Now, after Russia cut deliveries. It was 55% before the war [1], and would have gone even higher with Nord Stream 2 about to come online. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/21/how-reliant-is-germany-and-europe-russian-gas-nord-stream https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/21/how-reliant-is...

cycomanic 4y ago
> Sure you can: Germany and France are not in the same place, so the economics of getting gas from source X are not the same, so when weighing gas vs nuclear they were not looking at the same options. For Germany, cheap gas meant Russian gas. If that had been ruled out on security grounds, other energy sources, including nuclear, would have been more competitive vs more expensive gas from Norway etc. Nuclear was never an option to substitude for gas. Apart from the fact that Germany uses most of its gas for heating and industry, the applications for both in electricity generation are very different, gas is for peakers, nuclear is baseload. That can be seen by looking at the fact that France is using the same percentage of gas in their electricity generation as Germany.
- T-A 4y ago
  > Germany uses most of its gas for heating and industry That's a choice, again based on economics. There's no fundamental reason preventing electricity from replacing gas as an energy source for heating and industrial processes. > gas is for peakers, nuclear is baseload. Again, that's a choice based on economics. Spare nuclear (or oil or other) capacity can serve the same purpose. > That can be seen by looking at the fact that France is using the same percentage of gas in their electricity generation as Germany Why are you fixating on France? Try Sweden: https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/energy/energy-supply-and-use/annual-energy-statistics-electricity-gas-and-district-heating/pong/tables-and-graphs/electricity-supply-and-use-20012020-gwh/ https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subje... 2020 electricity production (2021 statistics are not out yet): Gas turbines and others: 13 GWh. Nuclear: 47262 GWh.

by T-A 4y ago

cycomanic 4y ago

> Sure you can: Germany and France are not in the same place, so the economics of getting gas from source X are not the same, so when weighing gas vs nuclear they were not looking at the same options. For Germany, cheap gas meant Russian gas. If that had been ruled out on security grounds, other energy sources, including nuclear, would have been more competitive vs more expensive gas from Norway etc. Nuclear was never an option to substitude for gas. Apart from the fact that Germany uses most of its gas for heating and industry, the applications for both in electricity generation are very different, gas is for peakers, nuclear is baseload. That can be seen by looking at the fact that France is using the same percentage of gas in their electricity generation as Germany.

T-A 4y ago
> Germany uses most of its gas for heating and industry That's a choice, again based on economics. There's no fundamental reason preventing electricity from replacing gas as an energy source for heating and industrial processes. > gas is for peakers, nuclear is baseload. Again, that's a choice based on economics. Spare nuclear (or oil or other) capacity can serve the same purpose. > That can be seen by looking at the fact that France is using the same percentage of gas in their electricity generation as Germany Why are you fixating on France? Try Sweden: https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/energy/energy-supply-and-use/annual-energy-statistics-electricity-gas-and-district-heating/pong/tables-and-graphs/electricity-supply-and-use-20012020-gwh/ https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subje... 2020 electricity production (2021 statistics are not out yet): Gas turbines and others: 13 GWh. Nuclear: 47262 GWh.