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Except for a few programs like ss or nftables nothing has changed. you can still use shred, despite the usage of journaled filesystems, cp works like 20 years a

by stop50 4y ago

Except for a few programs like ss or nftables nothing has changed. you can still use shred, despite the usage of journaled filesystems, cp works like 20 years ago and nothing has changed with ln and i make still errors with the target and the source. so the old howtos are still valid.

raggi 4y ago
ln works just like cp. Use the -r flag if you're on GNU for easier relative link creation.
willnonya 4y ago
This is misleading, plenty has changed and Linux backwards compatibility is horrendous on a good day.
toast0 4y ago
The whole networking userspace is changed. There's no ifconfig, netstat, route, iptables, ipchains, I think there was one more. pumpd is dead, isc-dhcpd is probably dead (replaced by systemd-dhcpd). It's not really recognizable.
- gattilorenz 4y ago
  ALSA, sysV init, xf86config ramdac settings... and a million other things, not just networking
  - deleted 4y ago
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- rascul 4y ago
  > ifconfig, netstat, route Some distros deprecated those tools but they're still alive. https://sourceforge.net/projects/net-tools/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/net-tools/
- tenebrisalietum 4y ago
  `nftables` may have replaced `iptables` but I don't know it from my current Debian router - my complex `iptables` firewall and routing script runs great. `ipchains` was replaced by `iptables` in the early 2000's I think. Also I got `isc-dhcp-server` running and kicking just fine. And straight `bind9`. I know `systemd` does both of these but nothing's forcing you to replace it-at least on Debian anyway.
  - stop50 4y ago
    Modern debian uses an shim to ease migration to nftables.
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- vladtheimpala 4y ago
  > (replaced by systemd-dhcpd) Not everybody uses systemd. There are still a few distros that deliberately don't use it or at least offer their users a choice. I personally have two Linux systems on which precisely nothing has been replaced by any part of systemd.
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    > I personally have two Linux systems on which precisely nothing has been replaced by any part of systemd. When was the last time you had to fiddle with anything that systemd deals with though?
    - throwaway892238 4y ago
      DNS
- stop50 4y ago
  Dhcpd is currently replaced by kea.
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  You can install those and they'll work in much the same way.
- marcus0x62 4y ago
  > There's no ifconfig, netstat, route, iptables, ipchains, I think there was one more. ipfwadm
hedora 4y ago
I switched video cards recently. The right command was "mhwd -Ia" or something. Then, I tried pairing some Bluetooth headphones with a USB dongle that has regressed default firmware. Not only had everything changed, I hadn't even heard of the deprecated programs. The only cli tools I used from memory were "sudo", " dmesg", "grep" and "ln/rm/etc".
rascul 4y ago
> you can still use shred, despite the usage of journaled filesystems The docs say otherwise. Journaled filesystems and SSDs are both noted. https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/shred-invocation.html#shred-invocation https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/shre...
- stop50 4y ago
  What i meant was: is doesn't crash the pc. And there are still unjournaled filesystems out there
aulin 4y ago
What is it with ln? 20+ years using it and I still have to read the man page every single time. Whenever I try to do without I always end up with red links
- nl 4y ago
  Yes, same here! Even after reading the docs I still get it around the wrong way. I wonder why it's so hard to internalize?
  - rep_lodsb 4y ago
    Might be because it's the opposite of cp and mv? I have the same problem with it. edit: even worse, I thought it was opposite, but it actually isn't! memetic effect?

by stop50 4y ago

raggi 4y ago

ln works just like cp. Use the -r flag if you're on GNU for easier relative link creation.

willnonya 4y ago

This is misleading, plenty has changed and Linux backwards compatibility is horrendous on a good day.

toast0 4y ago

The whole networking userspace is changed. There's no ifconfig, netstat, route, iptables, ipchains, I think there was one more. pumpd is dead, isc-dhcpd is probably dead (replaced by systemd-dhcpd). It's not really recognizable.

gattilorenz 4y ago
ALSA, sysV init, xf86config ramdac settings... and a million other things, not just networking
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
rascul 4y ago
> ifconfig, netstat, route Some distros deprecated those tools but they're still alive. https://sourceforge.net/projects/net-tools/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/net-tools/
tenebrisalietum 4y ago
`nftables` may have replaced `iptables` but I don't know it from my current Debian router - my complex `iptables` firewall and routing script runs great. `ipchains` was replaced by `iptables` in the early 2000's I think. Also I got `isc-dhcp-server` running and kicking just fine. And straight `bind9`. I know `systemd` does both of these but nothing's forcing you to replace it-at least on Debian anyway.
- stop50 4y ago
  Modern debian uses an shim to ease migration to nftables.
deleted 4y ago
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vladtheimpala 4y ago
> (replaced by systemd-dhcpd) Not everybody uses systemd. There are still a few distros that deliberately don't use it or at least offer their users a choice. I personally have two Linux systems on which precisely nothing has been replaced by any part of systemd.
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  > I personally have two Linux systems on which precisely nothing has been replaced by any part of systemd. When was the last time you had to fiddle with anything that systemd deals with though?
  - throwaway892238 4y ago
    DNS
stop50 4y ago
Dhcpd is currently replaced by kea.
Gordonjcp 4y ago
You can install those and they'll work in much the same way.
marcus0x62 4y ago
> There's no ifconfig, netstat, route, iptables, ipchains, I think there was one more. ipfwadm

hedora 4y ago

I switched video cards recently. The right command was "mhwd -Ia" or something. Then, I tried pairing some Bluetooth headphones with a USB dongle that has regressed default firmware. Not only had everything changed, I hadn't even heard of the deprecated programs. The only cli tools I used from memory were "sudo", " dmesg", "grep" and "ln/rm/etc".

rascul 4y ago

> you can still use shred, despite the usage of journaled filesystems The docs say otherwise. Journaled filesystems and SSDs are both noted. https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/shred-invocation.html#shred-invocation https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/shre...

stop50 4y ago
What i meant was: is doesn't crash the pc. And there are still unjournaled filesystems out there

aulin 4y ago

What is it with ln? 20+ years using it and I still have to read the man page every single time. Whenever I try to do without I always end up with red links

nl 4y ago
Yes, same here! Even after reading the docs I still get it around the wrong way. I wonder why it's so hard to internalize?
- rep_lodsb 4y ago
  Might be because it's the opposite of cp and mv? I have the same problem with it. edit: even worse, I thought it was opposite, but it actually isn't! memetic effect?