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> https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 Even people in the top 10% are making bas

> https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 Even people in the top 10% are making basically nothing. This was taken two years ago, but I would suspect the current situation is the same or worse. I'm not sure how to fix this, but I think something should be done. People in the top 1% or 0.1% should make more per month than someone in the top 10%, but the difference shouldn't be this stark.

cercatrova 4y ago
Why should the difference not be so stark? That's how the power law works, most people follow only a few accounts.
- metadat 4y ago
  Do YouTube, Insta, and TikTok also have similar distributions? Maybe slightly less skewed but these sorts of networks seem to promote a winner-takes-all situation for each differentiated subsegment.
- svnpenn 4y ago
  > That's how the power law works who says that the payout distribution has to follow the power law? And even if it does naturally, OnlyFans doesn't have to just let it happen. They could take a bigger cut from the larger accounts, and distribute it such that the payouts are more linear.
  - svnt 4y ago
    If they do this, won’t they just fracture and drive the larger accounts elsewhere?
    - svnpenn 4y ago
      If every single user wants to be a soulless robot (pure capitalism), then yes. However if the userbase understands that larger accounts will be subject to larger fees, in order to support smaller accounts, then I would like to think at least some users would support that. Not everything in life has to be decided on a purely selfish basis.
      - the_sleaze_ 4y ago
        So OnlyFans should pay people to post nudes ? (Rather than providing a place to post pictures and charge other people for them, in case you missed it) I see this same argument made about Tinder, from guys who can't get laid. You realize it's just a platform don't you ? Those are real human beings on the other side of that screen. OnlyFans can't choose for the humans on the platform.
      - junofan 4y ago
        Hang on. Capitalism means private ownership of the means of production. It sounds like you are talking about choices made by consumers. Communist systems have consumers who make choices, too. Soviet citizens were perfectly free to choose which goods to queue up for.
  - oarabbus_ 4y ago
    >who says that the payout distribution has to follow the power law? The payout distribution is proportional to the number of subscribers, which follows a power law. >And even if it does naturally, OnlyFans doesn't have to just let it happen. They could take a bigger cut from the larger accounts, and distribute it such that the payouts are more linear. How is taking a larger relative cut from the content creators bringing in the most traffic a good (much less optimal) business decision?
    - srpen6 4y ago
      If you're a new creator, and you look at this: https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 are you really going to want to start an account on that site? Your comment seems to align with typical capitalist motives: focus on short term gains, ignore everything else.
      - oarabbus_ 4y ago
        >are you really going to want to start an account on that site? If I thought it would benefit me and was worth my time, then yes? Is the implication one shouldn't try to earn extra income because someone else earns more? >Your comment seems to align with typical capitalist motives: focus on short term gains, ignore everything else. That's somewhat of an ad hominem. Anyways I'm all ears if you have a superior evidence-based economic model, instead of selling utopia.
        srpen6 4y ago
        > Anyways I'm all ears if you have a superior evidence-based economic model https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32454155 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32454155
        oarabbus_ 4y ago
        Do you have sources or evidence that this linear payout system can work? Any businesses, platforms, or countries that have successfully used this type of model?
- epgui 4y ago
  Because inequality beyond a certain excess makes a system unstable, and given the chance, even wealthy people would rather be wealthy in a stable world than an unstable world. There is not only one power distribution, there is a whole set of them.
  - nxmnxm99 4y ago
    - d0liver 4y ago
      The problem with income inequality is that the people at the top are actively stealing money from everyone else. Elon isn't out there building rockets. He just gets the rockets that other people made automatically and for free. This is the case with literally every billionaire. So, yeah, I'm envious. I'd like my stuff back.
      - epgui 4y ago
        I don’t agree that this is always the case, and I don’t even agree that Elon’s accumulation of wealth was particularly exploitative (in the pejorative sense). I do agree that it often is the case with very wealthy people, and probably with most executives, who add little value relative to the wealth they are able to accumulate.
        d0liver 4y ago
        No billionaire is contributing anything close to what they're receiving in return. They should be compensated with an amount that's commensurate to the role they fill within an organization. Elon, for example, is a glorified manager and should be paid a manager's salary and nothing more. Can you give an example of a billionaire bringing tens of thousands times as much value as an average employee at a company? Imagine that they are not already a billionaire.
        junofan 4y ago

cercatrova 4y ago

Why should the difference not be so stark? That's how the power law works, most people follow only a few accounts.

metadat 4y ago
Do YouTube, Insta, and TikTok also have similar distributions? Maybe slightly less skewed but these sorts of networks seem to promote a winner-takes-all situation for each differentiated subsegment.
svnpenn 4y ago
> That's how the power law works who says that the payout distribution has to follow the power law? And even if it does naturally, OnlyFans doesn't have to just let it happen. They could take a bigger cut from the larger accounts, and distribute it such that the payouts are more linear.
- svnt 4y ago
  If they do this, won’t they just fracture and drive the larger accounts elsewhere?
  - svnpenn 4y ago
    If every single user wants to be a soulless robot (pure capitalism), then yes. However if the userbase understands that larger accounts will be subject to larger fees, in order to support smaller accounts, then I would like to think at least some users would support that. Not everything in life has to be decided on a purely selfish basis.
    - the_sleaze_ 4y ago
      So OnlyFans should pay people to post nudes ? (Rather than providing a place to post pictures and charge other people for them, in case you missed it) I see this same argument made about Tinder, from guys who can't get laid. You realize it's just a platform don't you ? Those are real human beings on the other side of that screen. OnlyFans can't choose for the humans on the platform.
    - junofan 4y ago
      Hang on. Capitalism means private ownership of the means of production. It sounds like you are talking about choices made by consumers. Communist systems have consumers who make choices, too. Soviet citizens were perfectly free to choose which goods to queue up for.
- oarabbus_ 4y ago
  >who says that the payout distribution has to follow the power law? The payout distribution is proportional to the number of subscribers, which follows a power law. >And even if it does naturally, OnlyFans doesn't have to just let it happen. They could take a bigger cut from the larger accounts, and distribute it such that the payouts are more linear. How is taking a larger relative cut from the content creators bringing in the most traffic a good (much less optimal) business decision?
  - srpen6 4y ago
    If you're a new creator, and you look at this: https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1335725267340251137 are you really going to want to start an account on that site? Your comment seems to align with typical capitalist motives: focus on short term gains, ignore everything else.
    - oarabbus_ 4y ago
      >are you really going to want to start an account on that site? If I thought it would benefit me and was worth my time, then yes? Is the implication one shouldn't try to earn extra income because someone else earns more? >Your comment seems to align with typical capitalist motives: focus on short term gains, ignore everything else. That's somewhat of an ad hominem. Anyways I'm all ears if you have a superior evidence-based economic model, instead of selling utopia.
      - srpen6 4y ago
        > Anyways I'm all ears if you have a superior evidence-based economic model https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32454155 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32454155
        oarabbus_ 4y ago
        Do you have sources or evidence that this linear payout system can work? Any businesses, platforms, or countries that have successfully used this type of model?
epgui 4y ago
Because inequality beyond a certain excess makes a system unstable, and given the chance, even wealthy people would rather be wealthy in a stable world than an unstable world. There is not only one power distribution, there is a whole set of them.
- nxmnxm99 4y ago
  - d0liver 4y ago
    The problem with income inequality is that the people at the top are actively stealing money from everyone else. Elon isn't out there building rockets. He just gets the rockets that other people made automatically and for free. This is the case with literally every billionaire. So, yeah, I'm envious. I'd like my stuff back.
    - epgui 4y ago
      I don’t agree that this is always the case, and I don’t even agree that Elon’s accumulation of wealth was particularly exploitative (in the pejorative sense). I do agree that it often is the case with very wealthy people, and probably with most executives, who add little value relative to the wealth they are able to accumulate.
      - d0liver 4y ago
        No billionaire is contributing anything close to what they're receiving in return. They should be compensated with an amount that's commensurate to the role they fill within an organization. Elon, for example, is a glorified manager and should be paid a manager's salary and nothing more. Can you give an example of a billionaire bringing tens of thousands times as much value as an average employee at a company? Imagine that they are not already a billionaire.
        junofan 4y ago