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Probably not but it's speculation at the moment. Maybe support for open source firmware versions allowing the user to switch should they need to. In terms of dr

Probably not but it's speculation at the moment. Maybe support for open source firmware versions allowing the user to switch should they need to. In terms of drivers these could be opened but that'd require a huge amount of change from chip manufacturers.

scarface74 4y ago
So yeah, good luck with getting Qualcomm and the other chipset manufacturers to open source their drivers and then depending on volunteers to support your phone. Even Google once had to drop support for some Nexus devices because it couldn’t convince chipset makers to support their latest OS on the phone.
- RalfWausE 4y ago
  With a market as big as the EU it could be pretty simple: "Make it open source... or get lost"
  - 6510 4y ago
    also: here is that multi-million euro fine we promised.
- 6510 4y ago
  A point system seems fun and pretty good. A manufacturer could be able to score points by providing a date (any date) at which they intend to end support. Perhaps some extra points if they provide information if it will turn into a brick. (just yes/no scores points) More points for extra years and a proper after-life. We have tons of products and services with a TOS stating things like service is not guaranteed, we are not responsible for damages etc Line by line they make the product more terrible because they have good reason to, any kind of support costs money and no one reads the TOS. If we could however express each of those terms into 2-5 numbers on a score card it would all of a sudden become interesting for the manufacturer to review those. Who knows? Maybe if one of our widgets explodes we should pay up to 1000 dollar worth of damages if it means 10 points in responsibility in stead of -100 If replacement parts or even upgrades makes our brand stick out head and shoulders above the competition in official ratings then we should at least have someone do a powerpoint about it, perhaps even a spreadsheet. Scores for existing devices can be improved later. Lowering them could involve fines and/or compensation. Perhaps there is even some market logic to be had: Perhaps if one is stuck with a low score one should pick cheaper parts that have a similar score in stead of bragging about how awesome some components are. I must have purchased more than 50 iphone chargers by now. The expensive ones break just as fast as the cheap ones. Apple should get lots of points for all the parts of their show they got right but also -1000 for the charger quality. Some of the unofficial ones should probably be rated -5000 which is fine if it costs 5 euro. Even if it costs 20 euro I shouldn't be complaining if durability was rated -5000?
- malermeister 4y ago
  "Good luck getting online trackers to require consent" Except the EU pulled that one off already. When you have one of the biggest markets in the world and the ability to levy high fines, you can make companies do all sorts of things.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Now we have cookie pop up banners that made the web browsing experience worse. You consider that a win?
    - _piif 4y ago
      I do. Websites now have to be upfront about their cookie usage and I can make the decision not to use that website (especially if they intentionally make rejecting them as much of a hassle as possible).
    - malermeister 4y ago
      Of course I do. I can choose not to be tracked, how could you not consider that a win? If somebody followed you around in real life, watching your every move, would you not consider it a win if he asked you if that makes you feel uncomfortable and they should stop? Would you consider it a worse experience than them just continuing to follow you, unasked?

scarface74 4y ago

So yeah, good luck with getting Qualcomm and the other chipset manufacturers to open source their drivers and then depending on volunteers to support your phone. Even Google once had to drop support for some Nexus devices because it couldn’t convince chipset makers to support their latest OS on the phone.

RalfWausE 4y ago
With a market as big as the EU it could be pretty simple: "Make it open source... or get lost"
- 6510 4y ago
  also: here is that multi-million euro fine we promised.
6510 4y ago
A point system seems fun and pretty good. A manufacturer could be able to score points by providing a date (any date) at which they intend to end support. Perhaps some extra points if they provide information if it will turn into a brick. (just yes/no scores points) More points for extra years and a proper after-life. We have tons of products and services with a TOS stating things like service is not guaranteed, we are not responsible for damages etc Line by line they make the product more terrible because they have good reason to, any kind of support costs money and no one reads the TOS. If we could however express each of those terms into 2-5 numbers on a score card it would all of a sudden become interesting for the manufacturer to review those. Who knows? Maybe if one of our widgets explodes we should pay up to 1000 dollar worth of damages if it means 10 points in responsibility in stead of -100 If replacement parts or even upgrades makes our brand stick out head and shoulders above the competition in official ratings then we should at least have someone do a powerpoint about it, perhaps even a spreadsheet. Scores for existing devices can be improved later. Lowering them could involve fines and/or compensation. Perhaps there is even some market logic to be had: Perhaps if one is stuck with a low score one should pick cheaper parts that have a similar score in stead of bragging about how awesome some components are. I must have purchased more than 50 iphone chargers by now. The expensive ones break just as fast as the cheap ones. Apple should get lots of points for all the parts of their show they got right but also -1000 for the charger quality. Some of the unofficial ones should probably be rated -5000 which is fine if it costs 5 euro. Even if it costs 20 euro I shouldn't be complaining if durability was rated -5000?
malermeister 4y ago
"Good luck getting online trackers to require consent" Except the EU pulled that one off already. When you have one of the biggest markets in the world and the ability to levy high fines, you can make companies do all sorts of things.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Now we have cookie pop up banners that made the web browsing experience worse. You consider that a win?
  - _piif 4y ago
    I do. Websites now have to be upfront about their cookie usage and I can make the decision not to use that website (especially if they intentionally make rejecting them as much of a hassle as possible).
  - malermeister 4y ago
    Of course I do. I can choose not to be tracked, how could you not consider that a win? If somebody followed you around in real life, watching your every move, would you not consider it a win if he asked you if that makes you feel uncomfortable and they should stop? Would you consider it a worse experience than them just continuing to follow you, unasked?