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What makes you think, Germany doesn't have enough electricity? Actually quite the contrary, we produced an additonal 20 TWh to fill in for the gaps left by the

by _ph_ 4y ago

What makes you think, Germany doesn't have enough electricity? Actually quite the contrary, we produced an additonal 20 TWh to fill in for the gaps left by the French nuclear plants not delivering. (And a lot of other plants in Europe are not running on full power due to lack of cooling water)

aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
>What makes you think, Germany doesn't have enough electricity? @RemindMe_OfThis in January 2023
- _ph_ 4y ago
  Gladly. But as I said, possible shortages are gas for heating, industrial production, not electricity.
  - aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
    15% of German electricity production is from natural gas. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterprises/Energy/Production/Tables/gross-electricity-production.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterpris...
    - _ph_ 4y ago
      Yes, and? Currently less than 35% of the German gas comes from Russia. Leaves way enough for electricity. The question is only, who gets cuts, if there isn't enough gas in the winter. The law says, industry first, heating second. The only debate is, how much cuts to private heating are a good trade off for supporting the industry. And as the Germany are very protective of the industry, there will probably a compromise of somewhat reduced heating (just wear a sweater instead of a t-shirt) and keeping all industry alive. Also of course, all companies are scrambling to secure their energy needs. This is how you deal with looming crisises: you identify them, you act to prepare. And suddenly the worst is no longer a thread. German gas storage is already filled up to 75%.
      - ehvatum 4y ago
        I’m paying 60x more for power in Toten, Norway because Germany is importing so much electricity from us. It’s a huge annoyance. We never should have allowed connection outside of the peninsula to you moron Germans.
        aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
        But according Germans that’s impossible, because they’re net exporters* in electricity! (* terms and conditions apply, grid stability is not guaranteed)
        _ph_ 4y ago
        Can you do anything but make stupid comments without content? Yes, Germany is a net exporter, but Germany is part of the European grid. There is a joint market, where electricity is balanced across Europe every minute. The same country which is a net exporter can import in some parts of the day. France is a good example, because they mostly use rather slow nuclear power plants. But as they are part of the European grid, they rather vary between export and import than trying to adjust their power output to their current domestic usage. At minimum that makes electricity cheaper as the plants are run closer to the optimum power point.
        aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
        I recommend you study the so-called “duck curve”. Peak consumption occurs after sunset across Europe, when German photovoltaics generate zero electricity. So what do the Germans do to keep up with the demand? They spin up their extremely polluting coal plants, or buy electricity from their neighbours, forcing them to spin up their peaking plants. >The same country which is a net exporter can import in some parts of the day. Yeah, except the time when they want to import is precisely the time when everyone else is experiencing peak demand. Now tell me, what happens in a market when demand increases across the board? The price point moves higher along the demand curve, bravo!
        _ph_ 4y ago

by _ph_ 4y ago

aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago

>What makes you think, Germany doesn't have enough electricity? @RemindMe_OfThis in January 2023

_ph_ 4y ago
Gladly. But as I said, possible shortages are gas for heating, industrial production, not electricity.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
  15% of German electricity production is from natural gas. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterprises/Energy/Production/Tables/gross-electricity-production.html https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economic-Sectors-Enterpris...
  - _ph_ 4y ago
    Yes, and? Currently less than 35% of the German gas comes from Russia. Leaves way enough for electricity. The question is only, who gets cuts, if there isn't enough gas in the winter. The law says, industry first, heating second. The only debate is, how much cuts to private heating are a good trade off for supporting the industry. And as the Germany are very protective of the industry, there will probably a compromise of somewhat reduced heating (just wear a sweater instead of a t-shirt) and keeping all industry alive. Also of course, all companies are scrambling to secure their energy needs. This is how you deal with looming crisises: you identify them, you act to prepare. And suddenly the worst is no longer a thread. German gas storage is already filled up to 75%.
    - ehvatum 4y ago
      I’m paying 60x more for power in Toten, Norway because Germany is importing so much electricity from us. It’s a huge annoyance. We never should have allowed connection outside of the peninsula to you moron Germans.
      - aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
        But according Germans that’s impossible, because they’re net exporters* in electricity! (* terms and conditions apply, grid stability is not guaranteed)
        _ph_ 4y ago
        Can you do anything but make stupid comments without content? Yes, Germany is a net exporter, but Germany is part of the European grid. There is a joint market, where electricity is balanced across Europe every minute. The same country which is a net exporter can import in some parts of the day. France is a good example, because they mostly use rather slow nuclear power plants. But as they are part of the European grid, they rather vary between export and import than trying to adjust their power output to their current domestic usage. At minimum that makes electricity cheaper as the plants are run closer to the optimum power point.
        aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
        I recommend you study the so-called “duck curve”. Peak consumption occurs after sunset across Europe, when German photovoltaics generate zero electricity. So what do the Germans do to keep up with the demand? They spin up their extremely polluting coal plants, or buy electricity from their neighbours, forcing them to spin up their peaking plants. >The same country which is a net exporter can import in some parts of the day. Yeah, except the time when they want to import is precisely the time when everyone else is experiencing peak demand. Now tell me, what happens in a market when demand increases across the board? The price point moves higher along the demand curve, bravo!
      - _ph_ 4y ago