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Germany doesn’t allow separatism. Most other European nations don’t allow it too. Spain jailed Catalonia independence movement leaders for 9-13 years in 2017.

kurthr 4y ago
I'm not sure where that leads? Should the Austro-Hungarian Empire be reestablished? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago
  How is fighting separatists that aren’t recognized by any UN state should lead to reestablishment of Austria-Hungary?
  - kurthr 4y ago
    How is jailing people after trial (but not extraditing the Catalonian European delegates), equivalent to the utter destruction of civilian occupied Grozny? Or are you suggesting that in 2008 Germany should have supported Georgia in South Ossetia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian...
    - LudwigNagasena 4y ago
      > How is jailing people after trial (but not extraditing the Catalonian European delegates), equivalent to the utter destruction of civilian occupied Grozny? The equivalence is in aversion to separatism. I think if the leaders of Ichkeria would agree to be jailed, the Russian government wouldn’t destroy the city. I am not sure what alternative you propose for a country that wants to ensure its internationally recognized claim to a territory. > Or are you suggesting that in 2008 Germany should have supported Georgia in South Ossetia? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian... There is a well-recognized contradiction between the principle of sovereignty and self-determination in the international law. What one should do is not clear if you agree with those principles less so if you don’t recognize them. So it is a quite complicated question. So those things almost always devolve to realpolitik.

kurthr 4y ago

I'm not sure where that leads? Should the Austro-Hungarian Empire be reestablished? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary

LudwigNagasena 4y ago
How is fighting separatists that aren’t recognized by any UN state should lead to reestablishment of Austria-Hungary?
- kurthr 4y ago
  How is jailing people after trial (but not extraditing the Catalonian European delegates), equivalent to the utter destruction of civilian occupied Grozny? Or are you suggesting that in 2008 Germany should have supported Georgia in South Ossetia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian...
  - LudwigNagasena 4y ago
    > How is jailing people after trial (but not extraditing the Catalonian European delegates), equivalent to the utter destruction of civilian occupied Grozny? The equivalence is in aversion to separatism. I think if the leaders of Ichkeria would agree to be jailed, the Russian government wouldn’t destroy the city. I am not sure what alternative you propose for a country that wants to ensure its internationally recognized claim to a territory. > Or are you suggesting that in 2008 Germany should have supported Georgia in South Ossetia? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian... There is a well-recognized contradiction between the principle of sovereignty and self-determination in the international law. What one should do is not clear if you agree with those principles less so if you don’t recognize them. So it is a quite complicated question. So those things almost always devolve to realpolitik.