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> Because the only method shown to prevent war in Europe is co-dependence. It’s a bit unilateral. As long as Russia can save enough money or have other buyers
by rdtsc 4y ago
> Because the only method shown to prevent war in Europe is co-dependence.
It’s a bit unilateral. As long as Russia can save enough money or have other buyers for its gas and oil it can just shut the supply in the middle of winter. Germans can of course refuse to export their products to Russia but people freezing in the middle of winter is a bit more dire than not being able to buy the latest Mercedes.
So, like other sibling comment pointed out, it turned more into dependency than co-dependency.
I could see, in the previous years, maybe the Germans wanted to move way from NATO and integrate with Russia but seeing Russian behavior since the Chechnya war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80%932000) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80... I wonder if anyone warned the Germans not to get in bed with the Russians. That was 20 years ago.
- LudwigNagasena 4y agoGermany doesn’t allow separatism. Most other European nations don’t allow it too. Spain jailed Catalonia independence movement leaders for 9-13 years in 2017.
- kurthr 4y agoI'm not sure where that leads? Should the Austro-Hungarian Empire be reestablished? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary
- LudwigNagasena 4y agoHow is fighting separatists that aren’t recognized by any UN state should lead to reestablishment of Austria-Hungary?
- kurthr 4y agoHow is jailing people after trial (but not extraditing the Catalonian European delegates), equivalent to the utter destruction of civilian occupied Grozny? Or are you suggesting that in 2008 Germany should have supported Georgia in South Ossetia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian...
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago> How is jailing people after trial (but not extraditing the Catalonian European delegates), equivalent to the utter destruction of civilian occupied Grozny? The equivalence is in aversion to separatism. I think if the leaders of Ichkeria would agree to be jailed, the Russian government wouldn’t destroy the city. I am not sure what alternative you propose for a country that wants to ensure its internationally recognized claim to a territory. > Or are you suggesting that in 2008 Germany should have supported Georgia in South Ossetia? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russo-Georgian... There is a well-recognized contradiction between the principle of sovereignty and self-determination in the international law. What one should do is not clear if you agree with those principles less so if you don’t recognize them. So it is a quite complicated question. So those things almost always devolve to realpolitik.