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Its probably biggest environmental catastrophy in Europe after chernobyl, and the best of all polish goverment officials said on wednesday: "Everything is fine,

Its probably biggest environmental catastrophy in Europe after chernobyl, and the best of all polish goverment officials said on wednesday: "Everything is fine, you can go swim in the river and catch fish" and 2 days later they revert it all and send warnings to all people living near the river and this proceder was going on for at least 2 weeks.

southerntofu 4y ago
That's a classic! That was already the government propaganda (at least here in France) at the time of Chernobyl, that everything is fine and kids should play outside like any other day. The same kind of situation happened 3 years ago in Rouen (France) where a Lubrizol chemical factory burnt down and the government said everything was just fine, before taking emergency measures, before finally saying that everything was fine all along. It was not the first incident with that plant, and the richer people did not wait for the release of the list of chemicals involved in the incident to leave the city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubrizol_factory_fire_in_Rouen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubrizol_factory_fire_in_Rouen
- luciusdomitius 4y ago
  - dang 4y ago
    Could you please stop posting flamebait comments to HN? It's against the site guidelines, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. Fortunately your account has also posted good comments, but if you would please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.
    - luciusdomitius 4y ago
      May I ask what classifies this comment as flamebait, what the concrete criteria are and some other examples? Thanks P.S. Alright, now I see, that it would be under the "unrelated controversy" clause. Could you explain to me objectively how the parent comment doesn't fall under the same one too? And actually 40-50% of off-topic comments on HN? On top of that it is not completely unrelated either, as it is imo globally the second most prominent example of government miscalculation/cover up, the lack of accountability which followed it, etc.
      - dang 4y ago
        > May I ask what classifies this comment as flamebait Well, for starters, switching to a highly divisive topic that has nothing to do with the original story; jacking up the indignation/inflammation levels; snark; and I suppose also the political reference. > Could you explain to me objectively how the parent comment doesn't fall under the same one too? I don't know about "objectively" because there's always interpretation involved—but I'd say the GP comment was quite a bit closer to the original topic; did not introduce a classic flamewar topic; contained more information than inflammation; and wasn't snarky.
        luciusdomitius 4y ago
        Alright. Could we get a list of those "forbidden topics" in such case. Besides, I don't see it starting a flame war - you are pretty much the only person who commented, but whatever. Apparently we are leaving in Peak Clown times LOL.
        dang 4y ago
        I didn't say anything about forbidden topics. This is about comment quality, not topic. Note this, for example, from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." Re flamebait: I'm talking about what leads to flamewars in the statistical case. Suppose you drop a lit match in a dry forest. The argument "but it didn't cause a wildfire" is not a good one.
- prox 4y ago
  It’s a literal toxic mafia it seems. Just dump without consequences and pay the politicians to close their eyes. I hope countries wake up soon.
Xylakant 4y ago
There were a few environmental disasters since Chernobyl, for example the Sandoz fire which poisoned the rhine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandoz_chemical_spill https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandoz_chemical_spill
- pvaldes 4y ago
  Or the Prestige oil spill. The cleaning bill to remove the 70.000 tonnes of fuel would fall in he range of 2.5 billion to 10 billion euro. One can really destroy a local economy with that.
paganel 4y ago
Back in 2000 there was also a Romanian gold mine polluting rivers in Romania, Hungary, Serbia and the Danube all the way to the Black Sea. Allegedly 100 tonnes of cyanides were spilled into the river ecosystem. The related wikipedia article [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Baia_Mare_cyanide_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Baia_Mare_cyanide_spill
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southerntofu 4y ago

That's a classic! That was already the government propaganda (at least here in France) at the time of Chernobyl, that everything is fine and kids should play outside like any other day. The same kind of situation happened 3 years ago in Rouen (France) where a Lubrizol chemical factory burnt down and the government said everything was just fine, before taking emergency measures, before finally saying that everything was fine all along. It was not the first incident with that plant, and the richer people did not wait for the release of the list of chemicals involved in the incident to leave the city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubrizol_factory_fire_in_Rouen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubrizol_factory_fire_in_Rouen

luciusdomitius 4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  Could you please stop posting flamebait comments to HN? It's against the site guidelines, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. Fortunately your account has also posted good comments, but if you would please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.
  - luciusdomitius 4y ago
    May I ask what classifies this comment as flamebait, what the concrete criteria are and some other examples? Thanks P.S. Alright, now I see, that it would be under the "unrelated controversy" clause. Could you explain to me objectively how the parent comment doesn't fall under the same one too? And actually 40-50% of off-topic comments on HN? On top of that it is not completely unrelated either, as it is imo globally the second most prominent example of government miscalculation/cover up, the lack of accountability which followed it, etc.
    - dang 4y ago
      > May I ask what classifies this comment as flamebait Well, for starters, switching to a highly divisive topic that has nothing to do with the original story; jacking up the indignation/inflammation levels; snark; and I suppose also the political reference. > Could you explain to me objectively how the parent comment doesn't fall under the same one too? I don't know about "objectively" because there's always interpretation involved—but I'd say the GP comment was quite a bit closer to the original topic; did not introduce a classic flamewar topic; contained more information than inflammation; and wasn't snarky.
      - luciusdomitius 4y ago
        Alright. Could we get a list of those "forbidden topics" in such case. Besides, I don't see it starting a flame war - you are pretty much the only person who commented, but whatever. Apparently we are leaving in Peak Clown times LOL.
        dang 4y ago
        I didn't say anything about forbidden topics. This is about comment quality, not topic. Note this, for example, from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." Re flamebait: I'm talking about what leads to flamewars in the statistical case. Suppose you drop a lit match in a dry forest. The argument "but it didn't cause a wildfire" is not a good one.
prox 4y ago
It’s a literal toxic mafia it seems. Just dump without consequences and pay the politicians to close their eyes. I hope countries wake up soon.

Xylakant 4y ago

There were a few environmental disasters since Chernobyl, for example the Sandoz fire which poisoned the rhine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandoz_chemical_spill https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandoz_chemical_spill

pvaldes 4y ago
Or the Prestige oil spill. The cleaning bill to remove the 70.000 tonnes of fuel would fall in he range of 2.5 billion to 10 billion euro. One can really destroy a local economy with that.

paganel 4y ago

Back in 2000 there was also a Romanian gold mine polluting rivers in Romania, Hungary, Serbia and the Danube all the way to the Black Sea. Allegedly 100 tonnes of cyanides were spilled into the river ecosystem. The related wikipedia article [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Baia_Mare_cyanide_spill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Baia_Mare_cyanide_spill

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