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> When will other countries pull their own weight with job creation and economic success instead of just takeing from America and Europe? The sheer ignorance o

> When will other countries pull their own weight with job creation and economic success instead of just takeing from America and Europe? The sheer ignorance of this comment is astounding. Not considering the fact that america and eu started off by plundering the rest of the world of riches. And more than half of startups in US are run by immigrants. But Steve from Alabama suddenly cries DEY TUK MAH JERB

abernard1 4y ago
Steve from Alabama is not the person complaining this time. It's Ignacio from San Francisco. Let us ignore both the historical reality of US industrial mechanization and that "startup" is liberally defined in the US; you're still improperly identifying who (rightly) fears this. The last 30 years saw the result of globalization on industrial production. However, technology has made knowledge work far easier to outsource than it ever was to outsource a factory. This trend and its inevitable consequences will lead to the community herein facing hardships they've mocked for a long time. Indeed, it's almost part of the tech identity in the US to consider itself as "other" from that group, as you've so aptly demonstrated. But a "Make Bay Area Tech Great Again" movement will be even less fruitful than attempting to onshore American manufacturing before its time: the economics don't support it and its community of practitioners is in denial.
- malux85 4y ago
  Maybe Ignacio from San Francisco needs to relocate so that he can be more competitive. The free market does not have to support their lifestyle, programming is a meritocracy and a better, cheaper programmer will eat your lunch. Welcome to the treadmill, start running.
  - edmcnulty101 4y ago
    The North American, European, and Australian treadmill you mean? Other countries haven't created a treadmill anyone wants to run on.
  - HobbseanMess 4y ago
    Absolutely hilarious that people don't think that this will just cause more and more conflict within the borders of the disenfranchised. Great economic theory in textbooks, in reality it will just lead to domestic and international conflict. People don't care much for meritocracy if their livelihoods or, more importantly, their status are (is) at stake. But then again comments like yours are akin to those who didn't see trump, brexit and deglobalization coming a mile away. Can't wait for the decade of the 2020s to see how it plays out.
edmcnulty101 4y ago
> started off by plundering the rest of the world of riches Cope? Mongolia, Rome, etc plundered the world more than anyone and not much going on there. > Half the startup in the US are run by immigrants but were they STARTED by immigrants? Important distinction.
edmcnulty101 4y ago
They kind of did take the jobs.

abernard1 4y ago

Steve from Alabama is not the person complaining this time. It's Ignacio from San Francisco. Let us ignore both the historical reality of US industrial mechanization and that "startup" is liberally defined in the US; you're still improperly identifying who (rightly) fears this. The last 30 years saw the result of globalization on industrial production. However, technology has made knowledge work far easier to outsource than it ever was to outsource a factory. This trend and its inevitable consequences will lead to the community herein facing hardships they've mocked for a long time. Indeed, it's almost part of the tech identity in the US to consider itself as "other" from that group, as you've so aptly demonstrated. But a "Make Bay Area Tech Great Again" movement will be even less fruitful than attempting to onshore American manufacturing before its time: the economics don't support it and its community of practitioners is in denial.

malux85 4y ago
Maybe Ignacio from San Francisco needs to relocate so that he can be more competitive. The free market does not have to support their lifestyle, programming is a meritocracy and a better, cheaper programmer will eat your lunch. Welcome to the treadmill, start running.
- edmcnulty101 4y ago
  The North American, European, and Australian treadmill you mean? Other countries haven't created a treadmill anyone wants to run on.
- HobbseanMess 4y ago
  Absolutely hilarious that people don't think that this will just cause more and more conflict within the borders of the disenfranchised. Great economic theory in textbooks, in reality it will just lead to domestic and international conflict. People don't care much for meritocracy if their livelihoods or, more importantly, their status are (is) at stake. But then again comments like yours are akin to those who didn't see trump, brexit and deglobalization coming a mile away. Can't wait for the decade of the 2020s to see how it plays out.

edmcnulty101 4y ago

> started off by plundering the rest of the world of riches Cope? Mongolia, Rome, etc plundered the world more than anyone and not much going on there. > Half the startup in the US are run by immigrants but were they STARTED by immigrants? Important distinction.

edmcnulty101 4y ago

They kind of did take the jobs.