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>has never been build Unless you count pumped storage, in which case it has.

by pydry 4y ago

inglor_cz 4y ago
The trouble with pumped storage is that in most cases, our ancestors were smart enough to identify all the locations that lent themselves to building a dam and built them. Often more than 100 years ago. We aren't the first generation to be faced with the energy storage problem. In Central Europe, where I live, there aren't that many opportunities left to build new ones on a large enough scale. Also, if a drought comes, you suddenly have a double whammy on your hands: not enough water and not enough electricity.
- pydry 4y ago
  Although dams can and are being used as a kind of pumped storage, pumped storage != dams and dont need rivers. The nuclear/carbon lobbies opine pretty loudly that there isnt enough suitable geography for it around the world. They are not correct though: https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-finds-530000-potential-pumped-hydro-sites-worldwide https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-finds-530000-potent...
  - makomk 4y ago
    "Disclaimer: None of the sites discussed in this study have been the subject of geological, hydrological, environmental, heritage and other studies, and it is not known whether any particular site would be suitable. The commercial feasibility of developing these sites is unknown. As with all major engineering projects, diligent attention to quality assurance would be required for safety and efficacy. There has been no investigation of land tenure apart from exclusion of some environmental areas and urban areas, and no discussions with land owners and managers. Nothing in this list of potential site locations implies any rights for development of these locations." That's a whole lot of important things that they didn't even bother to check before pushing out a nice impressive press release for the media to latch on to. Also, from what I can tell even finding that many potential candidates required changing the very definition of a suitable site away from the type actually used by existing real-world pumped hydro projects.
    - pydry 4y ago
      It didnt focus on those aspects because they are not about the core question which is the presence of suitable geography. Nonetheless nuclear power really doesnt stack up well against pumped storage on any of those other dimensions either. Certainly not cost or NIMBY potential.

>has never been build Unless you count pumped storage, in which case it has.

by pydry 4y ago

>has never been build Unless you count pumped storage, in which case it has.

The trouble with pumped storage is that in most cases, our ancestors were smart enough to identify all the locations that lent themselves to building a dam and built them. Often more than 100 years ago. We aren't the first generation to be faced with the energy storage problem. In Central Europe, where I live, there aren't that many opportunities left to build new ones on a large enough scale. Also, if a drought comes, you suddenly have a double whammy on your hands: not enough water and not enough electricity.

pydry 4y ago
Although dams can and are being used as a kind of pumped storage, pumped storage != dams and dont need rivers. The nuclear/carbon lobbies opine pretty loudly that there isnt enough suitable geography for it around the world. They are not correct though: https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-finds-530000-potential-pumped-hydro-sites-worldwide https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-finds-530000-potent...
- makomk 4y ago
  "Disclaimer: None of the sites discussed in this study have been the subject of geological, hydrological, environmental, heritage and other studies, and it is not known whether any particular site would be suitable. The commercial feasibility of developing these sites is unknown. As with all major engineering projects, diligent attention to quality assurance would be required for safety and efficacy. There has been no investigation of land tenure apart from exclusion of some environmental areas and urban areas, and no discussions with land owners and managers. Nothing in this list of potential site locations implies any rights for development of these locations." That's a whole lot of important things that they didn't even bother to check before pushing out a nice impressive press release for the media to latch on to. Also, from what I can tell even finding that many potential candidates required changing the very definition of a suitable site away from the type actually used by existing real-world pumped hydro projects.
  - pydry 4y ago
    It didnt focus on those aspects because they are not about the core question which is the presence of suitable geography. Nonetheless nuclear power really doesnt stack up well against pumped storage on any of those other dimensions either. Certainly not cost or NIMBY potential.