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> What? That is what RT unironically posts, the gray zones hires a lot of people who work / worked for RT. > There is no support for these numbers in the arti

• gdy 4y ago
  'screen shots from a Russian telegram account' Seriously? 'why do you think they'd stop trying to force conscripts' Because there was a huge scandal and reportedly many officers involved in sending conscripts into the Ukraine were punished. 'there is tonnes of pressure from the conscription officers' The article doesn't say anything about conscripts being sent to the Ukraine. "'volunteer'" Why did you put volunteer into quotes? A lot of people in Russia has been pissed by the Ukrainian 'anti-terrorist operation' in the Donbass.
  • _kbh_ 4y ago
    > Seriously? Yes a large amount of this war is broadcast on telegram primarily > Because there was a huge scandal and reportedly many officers involved in sending conscripts into the Ukraine were punished. Your trying to tell me that the army that rapes and loots with impunity is having their officers punished for pressuring conscripts into being contract soldiers and going to Ukraine?, I find that hard to believe. > Why did you put volunteer into quotes? A lot of people in Russia has been pissed by the Ukrainian 'anti-terrorist operation' in the Donbass. Maybe if Russias little green men and FSB officers didn't enter Donbas, shoot down a civilian airliner and start a civil war there wouldn't have to be fighting in Donbas.
    • gdy 4y ago
      "Maybe if Russias little green men ... there wouldn't have to be fighting in Donbas" Yes, of course. Just like if the US hadn't 'mid-wifed' a coup in the Ukraine [1], [2], [3]. It's a spiral of escalation which was started by the US which was increasing its military influence in the Europe through NATO expansion and bilateral military agreements. It could've been stopped at any moment by any side. It can be stopped even now if we don't want to risk a nuclear war. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU&t=448s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU&t=448s [2] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-foreign-aid-ukraine_n_4914682 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-foreign-aid-ukraine_n_4914...
      • _kbh_ 4y ago
        > It's a spiral of escalation which was started by the US which was increasing its military influence in the Europe through NATO expansion and bilateral military agreements. There’s a reason Russia considers the expansion of a defensive alliance a threat, because it threatens there ability to go empiring again like they are trying to in a Ukraine. > It could've been stopped at any moment by any side. It can be stopped even now if we don't want to risk a nuclear war. I know that it is in vogue for supporters of Russia to blame everyone but Russia for the invasion but the truth is, the responsibility lies solely with Russia. Russia choose to start the civil war with there FSB and GRU officers, Russia choose to shoot down the civilian airliner and Russia choose by themselves to invade Ukraine and commit genocide. No one forced their hand, the usual excuse of using the maiden revolution(it lacks certain aspects to be a coup I’m afraid) is totally false. The reason they invaded is because massive natural resources where found in Crimea and Donbas and Russia saw that as a threat to their ability to hold the world hostage with oil and gas. > It could've been stopped at any moment by any side. It can be stopped even now if we don't want to risk a nuclear war. The only side capable of stopping this is Russia, no one else. If Russia gives up and leaves the war is over. I suspect due to Russias inability to make themselves adhere to past agreements (like the Budapest agreement where Russia promised to never invade or threaten the territory of Ukraine) will mean that Ukraine will be in some sort of mutual defense pact with a western country or someone like Poland if this ends diplomatically.