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I think Carmack was mostly talking about regular Visual Studio as his IDE of choice, though. Not VSCode.

by royjacobs 4y ago

brtkdotse 4y ago
Visual Studio is to VSCode what car is to carpet.
- rfrey 4y ago
  So, one is too heavy to lift and the other one flies? (agreed though. VS has been a beacon of light inside MS even in its darkest periods.)
  - iKlsR 4y ago
    Not the worst comparison. VS has enough years of cruft and legacy options that it is one of the more complex software you will ever use as a dev and with the right extension, Code could fly ;)
jbverschoor 4y ago
Visual studio has been a great IDE from the early 90s when I used it. (Also game/graphics dev)
- bogwog 4y ago
  I’ve never had anything but a terrible experience with it when doing C++ Either the whole thing freezes and becomes unresponsive, or intellisense stops working, or (often) both. Sublime Text + GDB + RR is my no-bullshit setup right now and I love it. A mouse interface to GDB would be nice, but I can live without it.
pm3003 4y ago
Yeah, he meant VS. He even mentioned using an older version (6) as it is much faster on modern computers. Maybe he was referring to a friend of his, I don’t remember. Most Windows programmers I know (not a lot) use VS for the ease of integration with all things .NET and Microsoft.
- imron 4y ago
  VS6 was such a great product.
  - tpmx 4y ago
    I tried out VS 2019 last year on a whim. The last time I used VS before that was in the early 2000s (probably 6.0). It was a surprisingly bad experience - weirdly slow even on a high performance PC and so much clutter by default. Tried out VS 2022 just now. First impressions are better.
    - tren 4y ago
      2022 was the first VS in 64 bit, the increase in responsiveness was enough to make me switch back from rider
      - tpmx 4y ago
        It's probably due to optimizations in high level code rather than the 32/64-bit aspect, but I'm just guessing. (To get that level of slowness you really have to fuck up at a higher level.) VS seems to be a WPF app nowadays, so I assume the UI is written in C#.
        pjmlp 4y ago
        Since Visual Studio 2010.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  Obligatory Casey Muratori rant about modern Visual Studio, complete with Visual Studio 6 running in a VM: https://youtu.be/GC-0tCy4P1U https://youtu.be/GC-0tCy4P1U
  - Volt 4y ago
    Since I just re-watched it: he ran it on a P4 from 2003.
gitfan86 4y ago
Yes and he is talking about coding in c++

I think Carmack was mostly talking about regular Visual Studio as his IDE of choice, though. Not VSCode.

brtkdotse 4y ago

Visual Studio is to VSCode what car is to carpet.

rfrey 4y ago
So, one is too heavy to lift and the other one flies? (agreed though. VS has been a beacon of light inside MS even in its darkest periods.)
- iKlsR 4y ago
  Not the worst comparison. VS has enough years of cruft and legacy options that it is one of the more complex software you will ever use as a dev and with the right extension, Code could fly ;)

jbverschoor 4y ago

Visual studio has been a great IDE from the early 90s when I used it. (Also game/graphics dev)

bogwog 4y ago
I’ve never had anything but a terrible experience with it when doing C++ Either the whole thing freezes and becomes unresponsive, or intellisense stops working, or (often) both. Sublime Text + GDB + RR is my no-bullshit setup right now and I love it. A mouse interface to GDB would be nice, but I can live without it.

pm3003 4y ago

Yeah, he meant VS. He even mentioned using an older version (6) as it is much faster on modern computers. Maybe he was referring to a friend of his, I don’t remember. Most Windows programmers I know (not a lot) use VS for the ease of integration with all things .NET and Microsoft.

imron 4y ago
VS6 was such a great product.
- tpmx 4y ago
  I tried out VS 2019 last year on a whim. The last time I used VS before that was in the early 2000s (probably 6.0). It was a surprisingly bad experience - weirdly slow even on a high performance PC and so much clutter by default. Tried out VS 2022 just now. First impressions are better.
  - tren 4y ago
    2022 was the first VS in 64 bit, the increase in responsiveness was enough to make me switch back from rider
    - tpmx 4y ago
      It's probably due to optimizations in high level code rather than the 32/64-bit aspect, but I'm just guessing. (To get that level of slowness you really have to fuck up at a higher level.) VS seems to be a WPF app nowadays, so I assume the UI is written in C#.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        Since Visual Studio 2010.
dmitriid 4y ago
Obligatory Casey Muratori rant about modern Visual Studio, complete with Visual Studio 6 running in a VM: https://youtu.be/GC-0tCy4P1U https://youtu.be/GC-0tCy4P1U
- Volt 4y ago
  Since I just re-watched it: he ran it on a P4 from 2003.

gitfan86 4y ago

Yes and he is talking about coding in c++