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To make this happen, first, East Bay needs to make streets safer. It is ridiculous how crime ridden Oakland and Berkeley are to the point where it is probably w

To make this happen, first, East Bay needs to make streets safer. It is ridiculous how crime ridden Oakland and Berkeley are to the point where it is probably wise to avoid public transportation all together. We need a national guard deployed here 24/7, that's how I feel walking around in downtown Oakland. With NYCSPA vs Bruen ruling, I am planning to obtain a handgun and a CCW license from Alameda sheriff with a shall issue reason as "Self Defense". You can go here and see how many people feel unsafe in California, particularly LA, SF and East Bay. https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/vlnrrw/the_rcaguns_firearms_carry_megathread/ https://old.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/vlnrrw/the_rcaguns_...

melony 4y ago
Is it really that bad? Seems to be mostly just homeless people and drug users.
- sammalloy 4y ago
  It’s a good question. Whenever this discussion comes up, my take on it is that people are concerned about being random victims. In other words, some aspects of this have to do with being in the wrong place at the wrong time and not feeling safe in your environment. I think it would be helpful to change the frame of the discussion and ask what we can do to make people more safe and comfortable. The BBC recently had a discussion about this in the UK, and they came up with all sorts of specific and targeted solutions. We rarely see that happen over here on this side of the pond.
  - uoaei 4y ago
    Another question worth asking is: what is the rate of randomly directed violent crime? I suspect it's small enough to be a rounding error vs violent crimes between people with pre-existing relationships. Still, I agree with your point about the rhetorical focus. Simply reciting the statistics isn't going to alleviate anxieties.
    - sammalloy 4y ago
      It sounds like you might be interested in the topic I was talking about. Here is the case study the BBC was discussing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard The proposed solutions under discussion are included in the "Women’s safety" section in the above link.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Oakland overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-v3aB8BwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-v3aB8BwQ
- femiagbabiaka 4y ago
  It’s not that bad at all, I go downtown every week and used to live on Telegraph. I think downtown has actually improved a bit with better development. But people’s anxieties are still somewhat valid.
- dghlsakjg 4y ago
  Compared to what? There is violent crime in Berkeley that is above average for the USA as a whole. However, it has a significantly lower violent crime rate than, say, Dallas. (520 vs 814 per 100k) The comment above you is confusing how they feel about violence with the actual facts about violence.
  - Ferrotin 4y ago
    Random violent crime is the issue here, not domestic violence between people who know each other. Dallas has different demographics; its crime rate comes from that.
Animats 4y ago
Pepper spray and tear gas, which are legal to carry in California, are probably more useful. You can use them in situations where shooting someone would get you charged with assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, or murder. Against crazies and druggies, brandishing a gun without using it isn't that effective and may make things worse. Cops struggle with this - they're called to deal with crazies, it's hard to do, and shooting them is not a good option.
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  Its usually advised to carry both, so you have options. And to train with both. Pepper spray doesn't always work, nor is it always the appropriate tool for the job. And if you are carrying a firearm, carrying an IFAK is highly recommended. For anyone and everyone, taking a "stop the bleed" class is highly recommended.
  - Kamq 4y ago
    > Its usually advised to carry both It really isn't. In the class for a concealed and carry permit, they told us not to carry anything other than a gun. The rationale being that if you have something less lethal than a gun on you and you shoot someone, you'll get raked over the coals about why you didn't use the less lethal option. This doesn't happen if you aren't carrying anything else, it was your only option. This might be different for those with police/military training, but even then thinking clearly with a full adrenaline dump in your system is hit or miss at best.

melony 4y ago

Is it really that bad? Seems to be mostly just homeless people and drug users.

sammalloy 4y ago
It’s a good question. Whenever this discussion comes up, my take on it is that people are concerned about being random victims. In other words, some aspects of this have to do with being in the wrong place at the wrong time and not feeling safe in your environment. I think it would be helpful to change the frame of the discussion and ask what we can do to make people more safe and comfortable. The BBC recently had a discussion about this in the UK, and they came up with all sorts of specific and targeted solutions. We rarely see that happen over here on this side of the pond.
- uoaei 4y ago
  Another question worth asking is: what is the rate of randomly directed violent crime? I suspect it's small enough to be a rounding error vs violent crimes between people with pre-existing relationships. Still, I agree with your point about the rhetorical focus. Simply reciting the statistics isn't going to alleviate anxieties.
  - sammalloy 4y ago
    It sounds like you might be interested in the topic I was talking about. Here is the case study the BBC was discussing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard The proposed solutions under discussion are included in the "Women’s safety" section in the above link.
systemvoltage 4y ago
Oakland overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-v3aB8BwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-v3aB8BwQ
femiagbabiaka 4y ago
It’s not that bad at all, I go downtown every week and used to live on Telegraph. I think downtown has actually improved a bit with better development. But people’s anxieties are still somewhat valid.
dghlsakjg 4y ago
Compared to what? There is violent crime in Berkeley that is above average for the USA as a whole. However, it has a significantly lower violent crime rate than, say, Dallas. (520 vs 814 per 100k) The comment above you is confusing how they feel about violence with the actual facts about violence.
- Ferrotin 4y ago
  Random violent crime is the issue here, not domestic violence between people who know each other. Dallas has different demographics; its crime rate comes from that.

Animats 4y ago

Pepper spray and tear gas, which are legal to carry in California, are probably more useful. You can use them in situations where shooting someone would get you charged with assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, or murder. Against crazies and druggies, brandishing a gun without using it isn't that effective and may make things worse. Cops struggle with this - they're called to deal with crazies, it's hard to do, and shooting them is not a good option.

nibbleshifter 4y ago
Its usually advised to carry both, so you have options. And to train with both. Pepper spray doesn't always work, nor is it always the appropriate tool for the job. And if you are carrying a firearm, carrying an IFAK is highly recommended. For anyone and everyone, taking a "stop the bleed" class is highly recommended.
- Kamq 4y ago
  > Its usually advised to carry both It really isn't. In the class for a concealed and carry permit, they told us not to carry anything other than a gun. The rationale being that if you have something less lethal than a gun on you and you shoot someone, you'll get raked over the coals about why you didn't use the less lethal option. This doesn't happen if you aren't carrying anything else, it was your only option. This might be different for those with police/military training, but even then thinking clearly with a full adrenaline dump in your system is hit or miss at best.