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Adobe should come up with a competitor. QuarkXpress abused its customers badly with high license fees and hardware dongles and all sorts of stuff like that.

Adobe should come up with a competitor. QuarkXpress abused its customers badly with high license fees and hardware dongles and all sorts of stuff like that. When Adobe came out with InDesign, everyone switched and Quark lost its dominant position. Same thing happened to Microsoft in Mobile. People were so sick of their monopolistic behavior that they lost totally to Apple and Google when they came out with a competitive product.

oliwarner 4y ago
Summoning Adobe to fix a monopoly feels... Perverse. At a technical level, they might have the chops to build something from scratch, but they've more than abused their market position over the last two decades. We don't need another standard without interop. Put the engineering into open source or open standards. We can't continue with software society relies on being locked in like this.
- userbinator 4y ago
  "An enemy of an enemy is a friend."
  - oliwarner 4y ago
    I prefer The Scorpion and the Frog. When like likes of Adobe and Autodesk sting their users, everyone is angry but nobody is surprised. It's just their nature.
- deleted 4y ago
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- hawski 4y ago
  It reminds me about a story by Philip K. Dick - Autofab. It's a story about postapocaliptic world with automated factories that do not stop to work after the work causing trouble for people. People decide to make the factories fight with each other. Let's just say it doesn't end in a good way.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    Great point, and great story, with a terrible ending that illustrates the point about Adobe and Autodesk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams Episode 8 (Autofac) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6902176/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6902176/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCLlXrn840M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCLlXrn840M
- oldgradstudent 4y ago
  We're grading on a curve here.
Arcanum-XIII 4y ago
The main thing also is that the interface of Indesign was year ahead of Quark for a small price. There wasn’t everything (at first typesetting a big book was hard), and it was lacking a lot of feature regarding copy editor cooperation. And no Git was not and his still not a solution for revision :) incopy is using text though, so… But to be completely honest regarding indesign it took year to be enough for lot of shops.
sprkwd 4y ago
There's always Affinity Publisher. https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/publisher/ https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/publisher/
- jkestner 4y ago
  I’d love it if Serif got in the CAD game, but they’ve got their hands full finishing that last 20% on their design apps. I use only Designer and Photo now, but there’s always a couple of features I miss, like gradient mesh or duotone.
kurupt213 4y ago
Pagemaker had been a fairly popular alternative before it became indesign
egypturnash 4y ago
This is a wish just waiting to be granted by a creepy mummified monkey’s paw if I ever heard one.

oliwarner 4y ago

Summoning Adobe to fix a monopoly feels... Perverse. At a technical level, they might have the chops to build something from scratch, but they've more than abused their market position over the last two decades. We don't need another standard without interop. Put the engineering into open source or open standards. We can't continue with software society relies on being locked in like this.

userbinator 4y ago
"An enemy of an enemy is a friend."
- oliwarner 4y ago
  I prefer The Scorpion and the Frog. When like likes of Adobe and Autodesk sting their users, everyone is angry but nobody is surprised. It's just their nature.
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hawski 4y ago
It reminds me about a story by Philip K. Dick - Autofab. It's a story about postapocaliptic world with automated factories that do not stop to work after the work causing trouble for people. People decide to make the factories fight with each other. Let's just say it doesn't end in a good way.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  Great point, and great story, with a terrible ending that illustrates the point about Adobe and Autodesk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams Episode 8 (Autofac) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6902176/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6902176/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCLlXrn840M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCLlXrn840M
oldgradstudent 4y ago
We're grading on a curve here.

Arcanum-XIII 4y ago

The main thing also is that the interface of Indesign was year ahead of Quark for a small price. There wasn’t everything (at first typesetting a big book was hard), and it was lacking a lot of feature regarding copy editor cooperation. And no Git was not and his still not a solution for revision :) incopy is using text though, so… But to be completely honest regarding indesign it took year to be enough for lot of shops.

sprkwd 4y ago

There's always Affinity Publisher. https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/publisher/ https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/publisher/

jkestner 4y ago
I’d love it if Serif got in the CAD game, but they’ve got their hands full finishing that last 20% on their design apps. I use only Designer and Photo now, but there’s always a couple of features I miss, like gradient mesh or duotone.

kurupt213 4y ago

Pagemaker had been a fairly popular alternative before it became indesign

egypturnash 4y ago

This is a wish just waiting to be granted by a creepy mummified monkey’s paw if I ever heard one.