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As a tmux user, I take a look at zellij every now and then. I love that it's more discoverable, with the keybindings displayed more readily. I think one featu

As a tmux user, I take a look at zellij every now and then. I love that it's more discoverable, with the keybindings displayed more readily. I think one feature I use from Tmux frequently enough is switching between sessions. It's not currently something the zellij client can do.

speed_spread 4y ago
I wish there was a CLI editor with a zellij-like UI. I'm a nano guy, but I think the menu bar could be made much richer. Discoverability is #1 on my list of any new app. I don't want to spend weeks learning commands or referring to the manual to use functionality that I know is there. Over time, recurring patterns I'll memorize the shortcuts for. The rarer stuff I can go through the menu, explore my options and get tentative result using my own data.
- sp33der89 4y ago
  Helix(https://helix-editor.com/ https://helix-editor.com/) and Kakoune(https://kakoune.org/ https://kakoune.org/) both have a keybindings that are discoverable through their UI. Helix has this small pop up that shows you the keys that you can chord and what command they perform. And kakoune has a Clippy like thing. You could also use a thing like a neovim distribution that has which-key support.
  - rgoulter 4y ago
    I'd only recommend Helix (or kakoune) to someone willing to spend time learning keybindings. -- I do put helix in the same bucket as zellij as "exciting upcoming tools which are nice out of the box". which-key (from emacs) is excellent, and I wish more programs adopted the idiom. I'd say in Helix's case, it's good for helping discover the long tail of features you don't use often. It'd be a struggle to use without learning some set of navigation/editing. Without having used it, micro https://github.com/zyedidia/micro https://github.com/zyedidia/micro seems like it's a nano alternative to take a look at, too.
CoolCold 4y ago
> I love that it's more discoverable, with the keybindings displayed more readily. Do you miss it in Tmux? Not that I remember all the hotkeys, but most 10 of them used 99% of the time for sure, for the rest just `<leader>+?`, `Ctrl+a ?` for my config - shows your current settings.
- rgoulter 4y ago
  No, but I already spent time to learn tmux. (That, and I have the opinion that I'd rather keep any window fullscreen, and be able to quickly switch between windows; so I prefer having sessions of panes, rather than splitting panes). I still think it's a neat feature for keyboard-driven interfaces to have. -- e.g. I'd rather poke around lazygit than tig.

speed_spread 4y ago

I wish there was a CLI editor with a zellij-like UI. I'm a nano guy, but I think the menu bar could be made much richer. Discoverability is #1 on my list of any new app. I don't want to spend weeks learning commands or referring to the manual to use functionality that I know is there. Over time, recurring patterns I'll memorize the shortcuts for. The rarer stuff I can go through the menu, explore my options and get tentative result using my own data.

sp33der89 4y ago
Helix(https://helix-editor.com/ https://helix-editor.com/) and Kakoune(https://kakoune.org/ https://kakoune.org/) both have a keybindings that are discoverable through their UI. Helix has this small pop up that shows you the keys that you can chord and what command they perform. And kakoune has a Clippy like thing. You could also use a thing like a neovim distribution that has which-key support.
- rgoulter 4y ago
  I'd only recommend Helix (or kakoune) to someone willing to spend time learning keybindings. -- I do put helix in the same bucket as zellij as "exciting upcoming tools which are nice out of the box". which-key (from emacs) is excellent, and I wish more programs adopted the idiom. I'd say in Helix's case, it's good for helping discover the long tail of features you don't use often. It'd be a struggle to use without learning some set of navigation/editing. Without having used it, micro https://github.com/zyedidia/micro https://github.com/zyedidia/micro seems like it's a nano alternative to take a look at, too.

CoolCold 4y ago

> I love that it's more discoverable, with the keybindings displayed more readily. Do you miss it in Tmux? Not that I remember all the hotkeys, but most 10 of them used 99% of the time for sure, for the rest just `<leader>+?`, `Ctrl+a ?` for my config - shows your current settings.

rgoulter 4y ago
No, but I already spent time to learn tmux. (That, and I have the opinion that I'd rather keep any window fullscreen, and be able to quickly switch between windows; so I prefer having sessions of panes, rather than splitting panes). I still think it's a neat feature for keyboard-driven interfaces to have. -- e.g. I'd rather poke around lazygit than tig.