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What do you see

by xwdv 4y ago

What do you see

revscat 4y ago
My take on the Platonic ideal HN user: Tech-savvy NPR liberals: deeply capitalist, socially liberal, who consider expressions of emotion profoundly offensive. This is particularly true of anger, with empathy being a close second. Humor is almost-but-not-quite taboo. When politics is discussed, solutions outside of boycotts or elections are eschewed. Partisans are not acknowledged to exist, nor are bad-faith actors: if someone says something, you must pretend to believe they are acting in good faith, and that debate is always worth pursuing. Racism and bigotry simply do not exist. Market forces will solve climate crises. The use of force will not be considered or allowed to be discussed.
- jrm4 4y ago
  Can confirm.* *black guy who occasionally makes it a topic here
- junofan 4y ago
  Startup News on the other hand…
- tragictrash 4y ago
  I think your comment reflects more on yourself than anything else.
- noSyncCloud 4y ago
  Agreed with most of your points, except they're actually "tech-savvy OAN 'independents'".
- xwdv 4y ago
  Racism and bigotry is alive and well here in Hackernews, it's just disguised, and perhaps not directed toward the usual races you'd expect.
rascul 4y ago
I see a lot of comments advocating for more regulation, more policies, more government control, less individual freedom. Many that argue the other way are down voted.
- bigyikes 4y ago
  Do you disagree with those comments? I ask because Dang often links to a collection of threads where people make this type claim[1]. If we’re to believe him, the bias you’re perceiving may not actually exist, and may actually be a reflection of your own personal biases. Not sure whether you relate to that, but I definitely could. Since learning of this, I actually view Hacker News as roughly politically neutral. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25922311 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25922311
  - rascul 4y ago
    It's just what I (remember) seeing. My own views and biases may certainly have an effect on that. Note that the comments Dang linked to are making claims that HN is this or HN is that. I only claim that I saw things. It's a difference, but possibly a small difference, I guess.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Times have changed greatly since the Great Recession. Individuals in general are more materially dispossessed than they were in the end of history '90s. Even well-paid hackers in San Francisco or Seattle can see poverty all around them. Meanwhile, corporate wealth and power have risen to the stuff of cyberpunk fantasies. Less luxury, nowadays, to be an absolutist individualist. Not to mention, libertarianism as a American political ideology has fallen by the wayside with the failure of the Ron Paul campaigns in 2008 and 2012.
- layer8 4y ago
  Maybe libertarians just downvote less? I mean, nominally they should?
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What do you see

by xwdv 4y ago

What do you see

My take on the Platonic ideal HN user: Tech-savvy NPR liberals: deeply capitalist, socially liberal, who consider expressions of emotion profoundly offensive. This is particularly true of anger, with empathy being a close second. Humor is almost-but-not-quite taboo. When politics is discussed, solutions outside of boycotts or elections are eschewed. Partisans are not acknowledged to exist, nor are bad-faith actors: if someone says something, you must pretend to believe they are acting in good faith, and that debate is always worth pursuing. Racism and bigotry simply do not exist. Market forces will solve climate crises. The use of force will not be considered or allowed to be discussed.

jrm4 4y ago
Can confirm.* *black guy who occasionally makes it a topic here
junofan 4y ago
Startup News on the other hand…
tragictrash 4y ago
I think your comment reflects more on yourself than anything else.
noSyncCloud 4y ago
Agreed with most of your points, except they're actually "tech-savvy OAN 'independents'".
xwdv 4y ago
Racism and bigotry is alive and well here in Hackernews, it's just disguised, and perhaps not directed toward the usual races you'd expect.

rascul 4y ago

I see a lot of comments advocating for more regulation, more policies, more government control, less individual freedom. Many that argue the other way are down voted.

bigyikes 4y ago
Do you disagree with those comments? I ask because Dang often links to a collection of threads where people make this type claim[1]. If we’re to believe him, the bias you’re perceiving may not actually exist, and may actually be a reflection of your own personal biases. Not sure whether you relate to that, but I definitely could. Since learning of this, I actually view Hacker News as roughly politically neutral. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25922311 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25922311
- rascul 4y ago
  It's just what I (remember) seeing. My own views and biases may certainly have an effect on that. Note that the comments Dang linked to are making claims that HN is this or HN is that. I only claim that I saw things. It's a difference, but possibly a small difference, I guess.
Apocryphon 4y ago
Times have changed greatly since the Great Recession. Individuals in general are more materially dispossessed than they were in the end of history '90s. Even well-paid hackers in San Francisco or Seattle can see poverty all around them. Meanwhile, corporate wealth and power have risen to the stuff of cyberpunk fantasies. Less luxury, nowadays, to be an absolutist individualist. Not to mention, libertarianism as a American political ideology has fallen by the wayside with the failure of the Ron Paul campaigns in 2008 and 2012.
layer8 4y ago
Maybe libertarians just downvote less? I mean, nominally they should?
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