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I replaced ENR by renewable. > because they're not choosing it That report does not take a stance. It is listing different possible scenarios to reach carbon
by it_citizen 4y ago
I replaced ENR by renewable.
> because they're not choosing it
That report does not take a stance. It is listing different possible scenarios to reach carbon neutrality by 2050.
The document I linked is a summary, but it is better explained in the full report.
The TL;DR is that 100% nuclear is nowhere to be achievable in a reasonable timescale despite France being one of the most knowledgable country on nuclear energy. Cost and time are the main problems. The bottom of page 27 shows how even the most aggressive scenario fall short. I remember the CEO of Orano himself saying that they wouldn't be able to make it.
Don't get me wrong though. I think it would be stupid for France to give up on its nuclear park. The pro-nuclear scenarios looks way simpler to achieve than the full renewable ones. But if we look at the big picture, renewables are not optional, nuclear however might be. So maybe let's spend a little bit more time talking about how France is not doing nearly enough on the renewable side, whatever your opinion is on nuclear.
- LunaSea 4y agoSolar panels requires a dependency on China which doesn't seem too smart.
- philipkglass 4y agoChina is the largest but far from the only solar-manufacturing country. Solar manufacturing in Italy: https://www.enelgreenpower.com/who-we-are/innovation/3SUN-factory https://www.enelgreenpower.com/who-we-are/innovation/3SUN-fa... Solar manufacturing in the USA: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/08/17/2282230/0/en/First-Solar-Breaks-Ground-on-new-680m-3-3-GW-Ohio-Manufacturing-Facility.html https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/08/17/228223... In Singapore: https://usa.recgroup.com/news/rec-group-kicks-mass-production-its-ground-breaking-alpha-module-singapore https://usa.recgroup.com/news/rec-group-kicks-mass-productio... In Germany: https://www.pv-tech.org/meyer-burger-optimising-production-expansion-to-1-4gw-in-germany-to-cater-for-european-demand/ https://www.pv-tech.org/meyer-burger-optimising-production-e... In Turkey: https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/01/19/turkish-pv-manufacturer-report-reveals-countrys-annual-production-capacity-is-5610-mw-year/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/01/19/turkish-pv-manufactur... In India: https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/01/24/indias-solar-module-manufacturing-capacity-on-track-to-soar-400-in-four-years/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/01/24/indias-solar-module-m... Soon, in France: https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/13/french-hjt-solar-plant-battery-projects-land-eu-funding/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/13/french-hjt-solar-plan...
- towaway15463 4y agoI’d like to see the pie chart comparison of production. My guess is China looks like PacMan on it.
- LunaSea 4y agoCool, now show production volumes and chips and boards country of origin.
- Kuinox 4y agoThe documents you linked doesn't says what you say. The risk table nicely show it: all renewable are red. Yes, 100% nuclear is not achievable without risk, but with less risk than the 50% renewable you are proning.
- it_citizen 4y agoPage 26: > The study concludes, without any ambiguity, that a sustained development of electrical renewable energies is essential in France to respect its climate commitments. Which defacto exclude a 100% nuclear mix. I am not proning anything. To be honest, I would have been happy if the report said that 100% nuclear is the best way to go. I have no problem with the tech. Are you talking about the risk table p43? That table shows that n2 and n03 are probably more achievable than the other scenarios but nowhere that table proves that more nuclear than n03 would be achievable in the timeframe allocated. I would love an exact quote or reference on that.