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We French need to start thinking about sobriety. Setting progressive water and energy prices to encourage people to be more efficient in their use would also be

We French need to start thinking about sobriety. Setting progressive water and energy prices to encourage people to be more efficient in their use would also be helpful. Lots can be done. How about the government and parliament finally get it done instead of pointing fingers. I'm ready to restrain myself in lots of ways if it's in the general interest, even if it makes my life a bit worse on some aspects.

Krasnol 4y ago
Holy moly. This is dark. So you want to punish the same people who paid for that ignorant course of several governments by subsidising the state regulated energy price and the companies providing that energy and which are constantly bankrupt? Like, punish them again? How cruel, How about diversifying your energy generation? Like with...renewables?
- lucb1e 4y ago
  > punish the same people who paid for that ignorant course of several governments I don't think this is about punishment, but rather that "Like with...renewables?" is not going to be ready in three months. They aren't even going to have the reactors ready that are already there. Requiring big users to take it down a notch might be the only way by which people get their basic needs fulfilled like transportation and heating living spaces to reasonable degrees. Personally I don't think we will 'eat the soup this hot' (things are probably not as bad as fear might make them seem now), but only time will tell for sure.
  - Krasnol 4y ago
    It won't be ready in three months but it will be better next year and the subsequent summer and so on. Better every year. Unlike with building new reactors where the only subsequent events are news about rising costs and later completion dates. I mean seriously. This is not the first time issues with the nuclear fleet cause problems. We'd have a normal summer without those "special repairs". A normal summer in France means: "Rivers too hot. Need to shut down." Punishing those people who voted a guy who promised to REDUCE nuclear and EXPAND renewables and who just didn't, doesn't make any sense.
- Panzer04 4y ago
  If you don’t have enough electricity, the exact wrong solution is to pretend everything is fine and keep consumer prices the same, as there will be zero reason for consumers to reduce consumption. If prices increase by 2x or 3x you can bet users who can will turn off large consumers like resistive heaters. For some reason unrestrained access to cheap electricity is treated as an untouchable right, and how dare you raise prices in a shortage, you profiteering monster?
  - Krasnol 4y ago
    Are you even aware that France has a price set by the government and that the French taxpayer has been subsidising nuclear power all the time already? How about you punish somebody else for a change?

Krasnol 4y ago

Holy moly. This is dark. So you want to punish the same people who paid for that ignorant course of several governments by subsidising the state regulated energy price and the companies providing that energy and which are constantly bankrupt? Like, punish them again? How cruel, How about diversifying your energy generation? Like with...renewables?

lucb1e 4y ago
> punish the same people who paid for that ignorant course of several governments I don't think this is about punishment, but rather that "Like with...renewables?" is not going to be ready in three months. They aren't even going to have the reactors ready that are already there. Requiring big users to take it down a notch might be the only way by which people get their basic needs fulfilled like transportation and heating living spaces to reasonable degrees. Personally I don't think we will 'eat the soup this hot' (things are probably not as bad as fear might make them seem now), but only time will tell for sure.
- Krasnol 4y ago
  It won't be ready in three months but it will be better next year and the subsequent summer and so on. Better every year. Unlike with building new reactors where the only subsequent events are news about rising costs and later completion dates. I mean seriously. This is not the first time issues with the nuclear fleet cause problems. We'd have a normal summer without those "special repairs". A normal summer in France means: "Rivers too hot. Need to shut down." Punishing those people who voted a guy who promised to REDUCE nuclear and EXPAND renewables and who just didn't, doesn't make any sense.
Panzer04 4y ago
If you don’t have enough electricity, the exact wrong solution is to pretend everything is fine and keep consumer prices the same, as there will be zero reason for consumers to reduce consumption. If prices increase by 2x or 3x you can bet users who can will turn off large consumers like resistive heaters. For some reason unrestrained access to cheap electricity is treated as an untouchable right, and how dare you raise prices in a shortage, you profiteering monster?
- Krasnol 4y ago
  Are you even aware that France has a price set by the government and that the French taxpayer has been subsidising nuclear power all the time already? How about you punish somebody else for a change?